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08-07-2019, 10:27 AM #326
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08-07-2019, 10:34 AM #327Registered User
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08-07-2019, 11:25 AM #328
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08-07-2019, 11:28 AM #329
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08-07-2019, 11:57 AM #330
Methinks you doth protest too much. You got your shit jumped because you're under 40 and haven't experienced what Grange just described, and you made it sound like it was easy. What he describes is real for a vast majority of people over 40, and it isn't easy. I totally 100% agree that diet is the key to losing weight or keeping it off; it's often been said that you can't out-exercise a bad diet. But what worked in my 20s and 30s diet wise doesn't work anymore. Simply paying attention to what I ate would keep me at a good target weight of 170 or less, without any effort. And if I got fat because I was eating a shitton of donuts (what occurred at one point in my life, at 30), I was able to drop it all with very little effort, went from 185 to 160 in 3-4 months of really dieting.
But with that same "watching what I eat" and adding in limiting alcohol consumption, I found the weight creeping up in my mid-40s, to the point that at 50, I was eating a pretty good diet but could not get below 180-185. It wasn't that I was unable to out-exercise a BAD diet, it's that even a pretty good diet wasn't enough. Since I've been keto for the last 15 months, I have dropped back down, but that is pretty drastic and most people find it not sustainable.
The point is that except for some genetic freaks, shit changes drastically as you get older. And requires a fuckton more diligence and time to hold on to where you were in your 30s. Until you've experienced that (and maybe you're one of the genetic freaks that won't), it's easy to act like it is easy."fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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08-07-2019, 12:01 PM #331watch out for snakes
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08-07-2019, 12:06 PM #332
I've actually found that for me, to go from really fit to extremely fit (ie trimmer/stronger than an active American to trimmer/stronger than an average athlete) it's not food. It's the exercise type and frequency.
I mean, assuming I'm not eating a shit ton of donuts or something...
The biggest eating change that I made was to cut out all food between meals unless prefueling for exercise, and to remove all non-alcoholic drinks that weren't water. That seems to have been enough combined with exercise type. No limit on beer needed.
My body type may be unusual. What do I know? I just know what works for me.
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08-07-2019, 12:20 PM #333
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08-07-2019, 12:44 PM #334
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08-07-2019, 01:15 PM #335
41. Still an all right skier and I ski better than I used to. Hard to measure though because the gear improved so much.
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Climbing makes it easy to compare your fitness. I crush stuff I couldn't do a few years back. Bouldering my first V10s. So technically I'm stronger than ever. And I've been climbing since my early 20s, so I can compare. And I can do a one arm pull up these days which was a concept of fantasy in my mid 20s when I was an average climber. (5.11/12routes )
But I noticed my weight starting to go up. As a climber you have a pretty good idea of your weight range. (used to be 76 to 80 kg) but now I have broken the 80kg (175pounds? At about 6ft)barrier and try to get back. I still hope it's the biking to work and all those unnecessary leg muscles
. It made me realize I'm getting older and that I have to start with endurance training again.
I don't think I'm fat by normal standards, but compared to others in the climbing gym I carry around a lot of dead weight. Since most of them are younger AND weaker than me it's still all right I guess.
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08-07-2019, 01:30 PM #336
At that point in the thread it was being suggested that if you are ill or injured it's impossible to not get fat, which is patently false. I stand by my statement that if you eat a whole food diet and fast a couple days a week you'll find it difficult to impossible to get fat, regardless of age or personal genetics. This is not a personal anecdote, it's supported by a wide body of research, hence the fact that I'm not (quite) 40 yet is irrelevant. Obviously, for psychological and sociological reasons it is difficult for most people. The grass is always greener, I guess. I eat a ridiculous amount of food. The idea of not eating at all a couple days per week sounds glorious.
At the risk of incurring further wrath: I have a habit of observing the contents of people's carts at the grocery store. The level of congruency between what's in the cart and the shape of the person pushing it is usually high to very high. Not a moral judgement, just an observation. Eat whatever makes you happy.
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08-07-2019, 01:31 PM #337
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08-07-2019, 01:43 PM #338
Thanks. Years of campus board training with extra weight finally pay of. But I have to be absolutely rested and can't do more than one. A young strong climbing buddy of mine (like 10 strongest here in Germany bouldering V15) can do a one arm pull up with 17kg extra weight on a crimp. That is insane. I can barely hang on that beast maker crimp one handed. But he is 24 and has been training hard since he was 16. Oh well... The fountain of youth.
That's another thing where age comes in. I can't train more than three times a week and need at least two rest days before sending hard. He trains 5 times a week and can do 2 on one off when he is out on rock.
Here is what those young whippersnappers do while training.
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08-07-2019, 02:11 PM #339
Danny, impossible was not stated as you can see in my post that you quoted. Easier said than done...absolutely. Maybe not for you, but for many and probably most. Not everyone is a type A personality and certainly, not everyone wants to fast because that just fucking sucks.
Genetics certainly play a role. I'm probably lucky in that department, but I was a vegetarian for 10+ years mid 20's thru 30's and still limit my red meat intake. Low sugar diet, no mcshit food, I haven't had a soda in...I can't remember when...25 years? But I drink a lot of high calories beer and my portions of healthy food are too big. I should probably be 165lb, but I really just don't give a shit because I'm happy and I'm type B.
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08-07-2019, 02:23 PM #340
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08-07-2019, 02:31 PM #341Registered User
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every Canadian food product has a white label telling you how much a portion is and how much sugar it has but i doubt anybody looksa at it, right now post mtb ride I am drinking a can of soda water on ice avec a big shot of lime which tells me a can is a 355ml serving and its all fucking zero's
I cut out all added sugars including honey and I check the white labels to find the product with the lowest sugar levels, at the same time I cut portion sizes, I lost 15-20lbs i lost the little gut, I went from overweight to a normal BMI and my a1c went down from almost 9 to almost 7
So if you are overeating its more than just being fat and happy it ain't good for your blood sugar
every since the 2 craft brewpubs openned just a few blocks away I have gained 2-3 lbs, my a1c is up maybe half a point and the rent money my tennant brings up stairs no longer lasts til the next time she pays the rent
last year when my back was fucked i did absolutely nothing for 8 weeks, drank a lot of craft brew ate exactly the same as I always do and gained no weight
The year I skied 106 days mostly uphill and quit drinking for 6 months the same thing happened, i neither gained or lost weight
mutherfucking portion control ehLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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08-07-2019, 02:36 PM #342
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08-07-2019, 03:11 PM #347Registered User
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08-07-2019, 03:11 PM #348
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08-07-2019, 03:23 PM #350Funky But Chic
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I might finish the gatorade if I was really thirsty.
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