Jumping ship: when is the right time?

[warthog]

Not sure why big companies would want to keep healthcare in house.

It’s the 2nd biggest cost for an employer and it’s expected, so it’s now a cost of doing business. The plus side of eliminating the 2nd biggest expense (behind payroll) would seem to outweigh the employee retention benefits.


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Stop it with the logic. People are bitching about corporate 'Merica.

[dunfree]

The right time is yesterday.

As it's Herman Melville's birthday

"Now, in general, STICK TO THE BOAT, is your true motto in whaling; but cases will sometimes happen when LEAP FROM THE BOAT, is still better."

[AK47bp]

Answer: employer HC is an externality that sprung up to get around price controls
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The opacity of the current structure is such that individuals don't appreciate how much wages are now suppressed by runaway costs of Employer-Provided HC, which gives a false sense of 'success' in using EPHC plans. And business innovation is limited materially by the higher barrier to entry that accompanies having to invest in relatively high-end plans & HR depts to manage all the benefits. And beyond that, competition within the EPHC market is largely dulled by the degrees of separation between employees and end-providers. The market feedback is distorted through so many intermediaries you just get ever-increasing costs as both HR & business leaders "don't want another headache" beyond their core businesses, leading them to pay up year after year & pass costs to employees.

There it is.


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[El Chupacabra]

The right time is yesterday.

As it's Herman Melville's birthday
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If you don't do it this year, you'll be another year older when you do.

Some wise person once said that.

[frorider]

Not sure why big companies would want to keep healthcare in house.

It’s the 2nd biggest cost for an employer and it’s expected, so it’s now a cost of doing business. The plus side of eliminating the 2nd biggest expense (behind payroll) would seem to outweigh the employee retention benefits.


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/khn.org...ll-debate/amp/

[KQ]

On this day in 1921, the Canadian Merchant Marine freighter "Canadian Exporter" was en route from Vancouver B.C. to Portland, Oregon, to pick up a cargo of lumber bound for Asia. She got caught in one of those notorious late summer fogs we have around here on the Long Beach peninsula, and ran aground on the sands at the entrance to Willapa Bay, near Leadbetter Point. Unable to back off on her own, the ship had to wait for the fog to clear and engage the assistance of the salvage tugs "Wallula" and "Algerine", neither of which was able to free her. All hands were removed without incident.

The following day it was apparent that the "Exporter" was beginning to break up in the swells. The tug "Algerine" prepared to depart when her crew was chilled to the bone by the sudden wail of the freighters' horn. In spite of the fact that no one remained aboard the doomed ship, her horn continued to blast away. The salvage skipper took a boat and some skittish crewmen to investigate, and they found a large crack travelling down the aft side of the freighter near the bridge. The mysterious whistle blasts occurred as the ship's severed front section, rocking with the wave action, tightened and released the whistle cord.

One final whistle blast came at 7:30 a.m. as the "Canadian Exporter" gave its last breath of life. With the sound of popping rivets and cracking steel, the ship broke in two within minutes. Further salvage attempts were made, but the "Canadian Exporter" was lost forever.

[MiddleOfNight]

OP if you bail do you stay in the same trade? apples to apples?

loyalty vs repeat business.

Jobs pay dollarz and bene's to do work. And so long as I (and they) get fair value, it continues. The simple kind of retention that has to be paid for: aka repeat business.

But in the true sense of loyalty? As in, passing up better $ offers due to some intangible commitment to the company? emotional connection or feeling of family and trust etc ...

Based on what you described, sounds like the former. So if that's the case, I say bail for greener pastures. Doesn't sound like 'loyalty' exists or has the potential to benefit in the future. But line something new up first

I have taken other jobs for less $ because I didn't agree with management's treatment of people. Like, inverse loyalty. The negative impact the company's ideology had on headspace wasn't worth higher wage.
Money is just money, and I've never been paid enough to be miserable.

Do what's best for you. Bad work situation can spill into your time away from work, which is never worth the brain damage.

Oh, and someone (benny?) said pension. Not a factor for me - but it might be for you.

Maybe large companies are against healthcare reform because they know they can trap you in your job and pay you shit because of most people's need for some kind of adequate healthcare plan. Huh, don't know why I just realized that.

The ol' golden handcuffs. I know it all too well.

[Bunion 2020]

I have taken other jobs for less $ because I didn't agree with management's treatment of people. Like, inverse loyalty. The negative impact the company's ideology had on headspace wasn't worth higher wage.
Money is just money, and I've never been paid enough to be miserable.

Thanks I needed to read that. I am mulling over termination of work for a large company that I contract for. It will likely cost me > 25K a year but I know it is the right thing to do.

[SB]

On this day in 1921, the Canadian Merchant Marine freighter "Canadian Exporter" was en route from Vancouver B.C. to Portland, Oregon, to pick up a cargo of lumber bound for Asia. She got caught in one of those notorious late summer fogs we have around here on the Long Beach peninsula, and ran aground on the sands at the entrance to Willapa Bay, near Leadbetter Point. Unable to back off on her own, the ship had to wait for the fog to clear and engage the assistance of the salvage tugs "Wallula" and "Algerine", neither of which was able to free her. All hands were removed without incident.

The following day it was apparent that the "Exporter" was beginning to break up in the swells. The tug "Algerine" prepared to depart when her crew was chilled to the bone by the sudden wail of the freighters' horn. In spite of the fact that no one remained aboard the doomed ship, her horn continued to blast away. The salvage skipper took a boat and some skittish crewmen to investigate, and they found a large crack travelling down the aft side of the freighter near the bridge. The mysterious whistle blasts occurred as the ship's severed front section, rocking with the wave action, tightened and released the whistle cord.

One final whistle blast came at 7:30 a.m. as the "Canadian Exporter" gave its last breath of life. With the sound of popping rivets and cracking steel, the ship broke in two within minutes. Further salvage attempts were made, but the "Canadian Exporter" was lost forever.

Ships die in pain. A friend who was on board a USN fast attack sub that collided with a Russian sub heard the sounds of the other vessel breaking apart as it hit crush depth. Chilling.

[old goat]

Working in a steel mill I cast off the Edmund Fitzgerald. It went down 3 months later. I guess I pushed too hard.

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^^bill brasky lives on