Facebook - Possible to use even semi-securely?

[yeahman]

Meh.

I find un-targeted ads far more annoying than targeted ones.

^^This. Why are people so protective of their "data"? Nobody cares about you as a person, they are not watching you and coming for you. They just want to sell stuff. It's not creepy seeing a targeted ad on FB any more than it's creepy to see an ad for skis in Powder magazine--it's a targeted ad. Advertising supports the FB platform same as it supports most other content. It's really not a big deal IMO. Plenty easy to control who sees your posts, which is all I care about.

[dunfree]

^^This. Why are people so protective of their "data"? Nobody cares about you as a person, they are not watching you and coming for you. They just want to sell stuff. It's not creepy seeing a targeted ad on FB any more than it's creepy to see an ad for skis in Powder magazine--it's a targeted ad. Advertising supports the FB platform same as it supports most other content. It's really not a big deal IMO. Plenty easy to control who sees your posts, which is all I care about.

every been shopping for something online at home and targeted ads for what you were looking for for the gf/wife pop up on her computer/tablet/phone?

facebook is a useless fucking leach - I want to support the content, not them. fuck facebook they are the biggest reason all of the content on the internet I like is going away.

[PNWbrit]

Hahaha. That's pretty much reality these days. One of the creepiest things was after wife and I were just discussing switching brands of dog foods. Told her how one of my employees was telling me about a particular website he ordered his dog food from. Her phone was out which we presume was the culprit (old one she USED to have the FB app on). That evening, she starts seeing ads on FB on her computer for not just that particular pet food website but the very brand of dog food we were talking about AND even the varieties as we were debating going with the salmon versus the duck. Got ads for both but just those. That's when we went in to the FB app's permissions on the phone and realized that the mic option was on. Creeeeeeepy. One of the reasons I really hate FB. But dammit, way too many people use it. FML.

Far more likely that one of you had been Googling pet food.

Or using any other search engine.

Looking for it on Amazon.

Or any other vendor

Or that it was your browser doing so.

It really is foil hat territory to imagine FB is using the computing power needed to be listening in to your conversations to target ads when it's so much easier to do it any other number of ways.

[yeahman]

every been shopping for something online at home and targeted ads for what you were looking for for the gf/wife pop up on her computer/tablet/phone?

facebook is a useless fucking leach - I want to support the content, not them. fuck facebook they are the biggest reason all of the content on the internet I like is going away.

Ad-blocking software is a major reason why content is going away. People who use it are inadvertantly killing the websites they like to read.

[dunfree]

Ad-blocking software is a major reason why content is going away. People who use it are inadvertantly killing the websites they like to read.

so facebook/google/etcs shitty advertising practices which lead to people blocking the shitty ads is killing the web?

FB & Googles massive advertising revenue is coming at the cost of other sellers of ads. this isn't rocket science.

[BmillsSkier]

every been shopping for something online at home and targeted ads for what you were looking for for the gf/wife pop up on her computer/tablet/phone?

facebook is a useless fucking leach - I want to support the content, not them. fuck facebook they are the biggest reason all of the content on the internet I like is going away.

But we’re still here.

For now.

#tagsnoworweleave

[dan_pdx]

My coworker (who's a skier) got a Facebook ad for a company we briefly discussed at the office (Trew Gear). She'd never heard of them before our conversation and had never looked them up on any device. She thinks her phone overheard our conversation and passed the information to FaceBook. I assume she has the FB app on her phone, so it seems plausible, just creepy as fuck.

[concretejungle]

My coworker (who's a skier) got a Facebook ad for a company we briefly discussed at the office (Trew Gear). She'd never heard of them before our conversation and had never looked them up on any device. She thinks her phone overheard our conversation and passed the information to FaceBook. I assume she has the FB app on her phone, so it seems plausible, just creepy as fuck.

Or more likely you two are connected on social media and you googled Trew Gear.

[dan_pdx]

Hmm...I don't use social media other than LinkedIn. We are connected on LinkedIn, but definitely not anywhere else. I may or may not have googled Trew -- I know what their URL is already and the search engine on my primary browser is duckduckgo, not Google, but I may have Googled them to look for info outside their website. The browser I use to Google stuff doesn't know who I am though: I log in to LinkedIn and Google services with a different browser.

I just realized the above makes me sound like a tinfoil hat lunatic...shit, maybe I am one.

[bobz]

Ad-blocking software is a major reason why content is going away. People who use it are inadvertantly killing the websites they like to read.

Well, that and the fact that a glut of content has driven ad revenue (for anything other than video, but probably that too to some extent) way down. That Goog and FB utterly dominate targeted ads doesn't help; everyone else is in a content glut competing for leftovers. Which, in turn, has driven websites who want or need significant ad revenue to utterly choke their pages with ads, and more of the most disruptive ads (that pay more than the ones that no one looks at). (Which drives some people to use ad blockers, which indeed also doesn't help.)

[Supermoon]

My coworker (who's a skier) got a Facebook ad for a company we briefly discussed at the office (Trew Gear). She'd never heard of them before our conversation and had never looked them up on any device. She thinks her phone overheard our conversation and passed the information to FaceBook. I assume she has the FB app on her phone, so it seems plausible, just creepy as fuck.

There’s also a phenomenon called ad blindness. Most people tune out ads and never pay any attention to them.

It’s highly likely that people have been seeing ads like this for a long time and it just doesn’t register until a conversation puts that name or product front of mind.

Data privacy has been a big push for me professionally the last few years and the risks to people go way beyond just targeted ads. What do you think the Russians used to meddle in all of the elections? What do you think banks and insurance companies and employers use? It’s all connected, and digitally anyone can buy info about you that would be protected if it was in say your medical file.

Facebook and google also serve ads on sites and groups advocating for nazis and ISIS and also groups that distribute child pornography. These groups use their cut of that ad revenue to find their nefarious bullshit. So if your company buys the ads they are sending some of that money to them.

The whole thing is a giant clusterfuck of exploitation and fraud.

[scrambledbacon]

My coworker (who's a skier) got a Facebook ad for a company we briefly discussed at the office (Trew Gear). She'd never heard of them before our conversation and had never looked them up on any device. She thinks her phone overheard our conversation and passed the information to FaceBook. I assume she has the FB app on her phone, so it seems plausible, just creepy as fuck.

Facebook has or submitted for a software patent for a "always listening"program for mobile devices from what I remember.
Fuck instafacespacegram.

[scrambledbacon]

Here it is.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/futur...listening-tech

But go ahead and trust bookface when they say they'll behave🙄

[JerseyDave]

Knowing is half the battle... https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/t...9781610395694/

[jono]

I find it kind of hard to believe that we don't have tech co-ops yet. REI notwithstanding, there should be a middle ground between basically volunteer open source projects and limitless exploitation on behalf of shareholders a la F@!#book.

How much less creepy would any form of data collection be if it was done by a company you owned instead of a company with a history of tricking people with constantly shifting user "agreements?"

[fastfred]

No way.
I've made the assumption that people that want to hang out with me will contact me.

Otherwise, what's the point?

thank you
no shit
why do I want know what someone I when to elementary school had for breakfast and that a guy I went to high school with likes to get pegged by his wife while he wares a mini skirt on a regular basis

now someone help me, I keep getting ads for astrolube popping up on my computer, whats that linked to? I've never really searched for anal lube before on the computer

[redacted user]

Reminds me of the guy that claims gay vacation ads shouldn't be on his computer. Wellllllll, stop visiting those male pr0n sites & the ads will stop!

now someone help me, I keep getting ads for astrolube popping up on my computer, whats that linked to? I've never really searched for anal lube before on the computer

[m2711c]

Facebook knows you’re just about to get fucked. they just tryin ta help a brother out...... Don’t be ungrateful.

[fastfred]

Reminds me of the guy that claims gay vacation ads shouldn't be on his computer. Wellllllll, stop visiting those male pr0n sites & the ads will stop!

naw the local lumber yard is called the breckenridge building center, but it's just called the BBC for short
maybe me just saying BBC all day long and typing BBC into the computer on emails, and texting BBC is the reason, I was told BBC means something other than what I think BBC means, but what I was told BBC stands for makes be not want to google BBC

[old goat]

The credit agencies worry me a lot more than FB--but then I'm not on FB. My accounts are all locked after the Equifax fiasco--which means it would be a real pain in the ass to apply for a new credit card. Even Social Security uses the credit agencies. My wife was unable to set up an online account because the SSA uses the agencies to verify identity. Which is also a pain in the ass--when you're applying for something and they ask you which of four addresses you're associated with and it's an address you briefly worked at 35 years ago--good luck remembering that.

[SumJongGuy]

I mainly use Book of Face for free cloud storage for photos.. However, now my albums are fucked up there. Main one I spend the most time keeping up has 60 photos missing. Album summary shows 190 items.. but open it up and can only see 130.. and some of the shit gone was good. Reported it. Also have most of them backed up on two hard drives... and also keep stuff on Google Photos, but it wasn't as thorough and complete as the facebook albums were. Shit, I should ask for my money back..

[redacted user]

maybe me just saying BBC all day long and typing BBC into the computer on emails, and texting BBC is the reason, I was told BBC means something other than what I think BBC means, but what I was told BBC stands for makes be not want to google BBC

Go on with your bad self.

[SumJongGuy]

The credit agencies worry me a lot more than FB--but then I'm not on FB. My accounts are all locked after the Equifax fiasco--which means it would be a real pain in the ass to apply for a new credit card. Even Social Security uses the credit agencies. My wife was unable to set up an online account because the SSA uses the agencies to verify identity. Which is also a pain in the ass--when you're applying for something and they ask you which of four addresses you're associated with and it's an address you briefly worked at 35 years ago--good luck remembering that.

130 million people impacted. About 2 weeks ago a bunch of fraudulent shit showed up on the Discover card I manage for my mom. They caught it quick and it was just a bunch of nickle and dime stuff. Mom's in an old folks home and hasn't had a card for that in over 2 years. Been 6 months since I used mine too. All online transactions. Gotta think it was the result of a data breach somewhere since the cards haven't been used anywhere in quite a while. Odd that right after fraud showed up we hear about the Equifax incident.

[MontuckyFried]

The credit agencies worry me a lot more than FB--but then I'm not on FB.

Agreed. The worst thing about the credit agencies is that they're selling out your privacy with or without your participation. At least with Facebook, Google, etc., you have to be on the internet to be dataraped, but you could be a complete internet non-participant, no e-mail, no browsing, nothing, and your very private financial data is still being passed out like candy thanks to those scumbags.

I too hate that address verification stuff. "What is the address of some random place you worked for two hours back in 1984." Me: "Hell if I know!" Them:"DENIED!!!!"

[MontuckyFried]

So this is kind of interesting. Still haven't signed up for FB but installed the Facebook Container add-on for Firefox to see what it would do. A little icon in the browser lets you know when you are or are not being tracked by FB, and if you ARE being tracked, supposedly it keeps their tracking results contained to just that website. Unless you click the like button on sites other than FB that is, then you open yourself up evidently. Anyway, more often than that, the little fence icon is lit up. Including our beloved TGR. Crazy! Hope all of these websites are knowing/willing participants and getting paid for their services to the Zuckmeister.