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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    check the rear end on to the white Astro
    Yes, but what is it?

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    a Tiger, from what ACH mentioned, the ProVan conversion folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    címon put a Tiger rearend on give astro a new life
    Those were built like that from the factory and command high prices. I've got a second gen Astro rather than the 1st they were built around anyhow. The Tigers are sweet no doubt, but I'm more into stealth, simple and legal seating for 5 since it is my main mountain commuter as well.

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    Just got back from a camp trip. Nearly 40 miles driven on pretty smooth dirt road. I do like having my current car (jeep) which crushes the off-road.

    How do Sienna's drive off road?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Those were built like that from the factory and command high prices. I've got a second gen Astro rather than the 1st they were built around anyhow. The Tigers are sweet no doubt, but I'm more into stealth, simple and legal seating for 5 since it is my main mountain commuter as well.
    just pulling yer legthose Tiger converts are so cool irl but not stealth like an ordinary plain jane soccer mom rig looks while one is killing time in the Walmart overnight lot.
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    Not Van life. More like Van trip? Need some recs...

    Iíve had two GMC Safariís and an Odyssey. Mini vans blow and decent Astro/Safaris are a dinosaur where I live. Iím buying a 136Ē ProMaster. Most likely high roof because they drive the same as a low roof so why not

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketchecker View Post
    I’ve had two GMC Safari’s and an Odyssey. Mini vans blow and decent Astro/Safaris are a dinosaur where I live. I’m buying a 136” ProMaster. Most likely high roof because they drive the same as a low roof so why not
    Seems like the promaster is getting more and more traction in the van seen. Avoids the Sprinter bling and maintenance costs. Wide enough for most people to sleep horizontally. Lowest floor means best clearance with a high roof. FWD for snow worthiness. Only real major downside I see is the rear suspension design meaning limited clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Seems like the promaster is getting more and more traction in the van seen. Avoids the Sprinter bling and maintenance costs. Wide enough for most people to sleep horizontally. Lowest floor means best clearance with a high roof. FWD for snow worthiness. Only real major downside I see is the rear suspension design meaning limited clearance.
    The Promaster is super low to the ground. I have to imagine this thing probably sucks balls off-road. I have seen a shit ton of these in Colorado though, so agreed that they are getting lots of traction.

    All the Youtubers pimping these things out and self-promoting them are a big factor is my guess.

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    I live in New England so the ground clearance isnít that big of a deal. Out west Iíd probably feel different.

    GF and I rented a transit from Wandervans, picking it up in Boise end of August for two weeks. Itíll be a good demo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud View Post
    The Promaster is super low to the ground. I have to imagine this thing probably sucks balls off-road. I have seen a shit ton of these in Colorado though, so agreed that they are getting lots of traction.

    All the Youtubers pimping these things out and self-promoting them are a big factor is my guess.
    Only the rear axle is low, so if you're careful it does pretty well off road. Only gotten stuck a couple times and it's always been a traction issue.

    They're popular because they're FWD and reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Seems like the promaster is getting more and more traction in the van seen. Avoids the Sprinter bling and maintenance costs. Wide enough for most people to sleep horizontally. Lowest floor means best clearance with a high roof. FWD for snow worthiness. Only real major downside I see is the rear suspension design meaning limited clearance.
    I've heard the reliability of the Promaster is atrocious.

    The transit is nice. I've seen the cargo versions for sale for fairly cheap. If you don't need to move anyone else, it would be hard to look past them.

    I have a Sienna and love it. I'm 6'2" and can lay out flat in the back with a cot and multiple surfboards and gear next to me. It has been dead reliable for as long as I've owned it.

    Brother had a transit. Nice van. Friend has a Nissan NV 3500 van and its incredible and exactly what I want. Downside is the gas mileage is awful. I second the used Suburban route too. The value of those trucks falls off a cliff so deals can be had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kailua_Boys View Post
    I've heard the reliability of the Promaster is atrocious. .
    I'd love to see some fleet analysis -- since everything else I see/hear is mostly anecdotal.

    The platform has been around for a long time, just not in the states. My Italian buddy who is a mechanic and just moved over here said he was fine with them. Of course, they aren't going to be a Toyota.

    If Toyota would build its UUV as a market vehicle it'd be game over.

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    Weíve had a sienna for 240k hard miles. Drives ok off road if youíre careful. Slow, pick your line. Slays down the washboard gravel roads. We put some airbags and a hitch on ours, handles a load much better. Pulls our raft with a weeks worth of shit as well.


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    Somebody needs to get a high roof AWD Transit ASAP so I can buy it from them in 5 years.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    I never intentionally camped in a pop-up trailer in winter conditions, but have by, accident. It sucks. It's a big tent without any insulation. You sleep out over the edge, on plywood, with cold air below you. The built in RV furnace cannot warm it sufficiently.

    In warm weather where you want a lot of cross ventilation, they're fine. Or if you get stuck in the rain or in buggy conditions with your family, they're fine. Definite trade offs in setup and breakdown time.
    Thanx

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    Saw this on the highway outside San Antonio, a Ford Transit Custom. It’s a mid-sized transit that’s sold all over the world but not in the US (close to an Astro in size but with more variations, including an available high roof). This one came from Mexico. Very frustrating that we can’t get them because it’s the perfect size for a compact camper. Lots of European companies make campers from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownski View Post
    Saw this on the highway outside San Antonio, a Ford Transit Custom. It’s a mid-sized transit that’s sold all over the world but not in the US (close to an Astro in size but with more variations, including an available high roof). This one came from Mexico. Very frustrating that we can’t get them because it’s the perfect size for a compact camper. Lots of European companies make campers from them.
    We can get everything but the high roof in the US. That's just the new generation of the Transit Connect with the extended wheelbase. See here: https://www.ford.com/trucks/transit-...ger-van-wagon/ . Agree it would be nice to have the higher roof version -- though it's not tall enough stand up in either way.

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    ram promaster. high roof. been beating the ever living shit out of mine for the last few yrs, solid.

    fwd. dedicated snows. take it easy.

    nice when your dd doubles as one of your homes.

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    Hit 40k miles in my Transit medium roof diesel 4WD, still think it’s the best platform out there. Don’t underestimate the importance of enough width—even with 1” rigid insulation, some 6’3” tall like me can sleep transversely (unlike Sprinter) which then means that the 130” wheelbase version provides enough interior space—which then means you have a van that actually works in any backroad situation you’d take a 4WD F150 in.

    The Promasters initially established themselves as the ‘shitty cheap 1995 Hyundai’ of this market but they’ve apparently fixed some issues (the atrocious transmission) and I know several happy owners. People are putting slightly larger tires on there to provide a semblance of clearance...dunno if they’re changing the front diff ratio to compensate. Easy and cheap to do that in the Ford.

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    brad barlage bought one when fiat came across, checking in w him every yr,

    alex got one, good enough we figured.

    all builds holding up well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Is there anywhere you could lease a decent van for a couple/few months for not-crazy money? We've been talking about a long road trip for years and I'd rather not have to buy something and then sell it.
    Might be worth looking at this post https://www.adventure-journal.com/20...north-america/
    The Best Camper Van and Overlander Rentals in North America, 2019 Edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    We can get everything but the high roof in the US. That's just the new generation of the Transit Connect with the extended wheelbase. See here: https://www.ford.com/trucks/transit-...ger-van-wagon/ . Agree it would be nice to have the higher roof version -- though it's not tall enough stand up in either way.
    This is the van I saw.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Transit_Custom I think my son’s pic didn’t do it justice- it’s bigger then the transit connect and smaller then the full sized. It said transit custom on and had Mexico plates.
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    Yup lotsa Transit Customs here in W Europe. More mid size. The Connect is built on a Ford Focus platform, smaller all round.

    Lots of VW Transporter 4Motion vans here too with some nice camper options. VW would sell a bunch of those in US....

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    FWD okay?

    Thought I'd for sure be getting the Ford Transit 2020 AWD, but did not realize the ground clearance was so bad: 5.6" vs 6.9" with the Promaster. Not to mention the mpg difference. Having no FWD experience, it sounds like these rigs still do fine with deeper snow on the road. Loaded question, but as a ski bum vehicle, how much of a premium should we put on a 4X4 upgrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosen Talov View Post
    Ground clearance on the new awd Transit is making me reconsider: what's the general opinion again of the Promaster's FWD as a ski rig?
    If it is snowing so hard that a heavy van with FWD and good snow tires won't get you there -- then you should be skiing where you are.

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