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04-06-2022, 10:17 PM #276Registered User
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Anyone have experience with these and P15s (18s)? R u running similar DINs? I run 11 on my P15s and am thinking about the PT 12 on a VWerks Katana as a dedicated slack country ski to save some weight. Just wanna make sure I wont need to crank these up. Thanks.
Edit to add, Shift is the backup plan; ran it for two years and didn't hate it, other than the subjective plastic feel and stepping on the odd brake. Running CAST currently. I ran a Griffon a few years ago, so think I should be good with the Squire/Griffon hybrid heel for my backcountry needs, but real world input is always appreciated.Last edited by Sylvan; 04-06-2022 at 10:46 PM.
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04-07-2022, 02:55 AM #277
the Dins run true and you should be fine with 11. You know that a cast setup is actually lighter by like 50 grams then the duke pt 12 set up correct?
I still don’t like the heel of the 12 and the 16 is way more stout and is the one I ski, my other half skis a 12 on a 5 din. She hasn’t had a problem with them though.
I would put a m-werks kingpin on that katana v werks and ski the shit out of it.
we don’t mention shift in this thread btw. You can’t spell shift with out shit.
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04-07-2022, 08:35 AM #278Registered User
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Beauty, thanks for this SoVT Joey. Yah, starting to think this is a terrible plan. Was thinking about standing on top of Gonorrhea or Syphilis or any other scary (to me) first turn, in a Squire heel...Yah, maybe not. Only way this makes sense is if I keep my CMD 108/CAST setup, and use the VWerks for mellower/further stuff. But then I'll never grab the VWerks, and then I may as well go with a Kingpin M-Werks, or something lighter (Ill research these further, thanks).
Re PT 12 weight, was more looking at the 'up' weight with the alpine toe in my bag (850g stated) vs a Shift (886?). Maybe I just eat the weight savings, go with CAST or a PT 16, use it to get in shape, and enjoy those first turns. God damn science. Thanks for talking me off the ledge! Time to eat a gummy, pour another coffee, and overanalyze this for a few more hours (read: weeks).Last edited by Sylvan; 04-07-2022 at 10:44 AM.
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04-08-2022, 03:22 AM #279
uphill is closer to 890 anyway. Marker lied. Who would of thought another ski company lying about a weight. Surprise surprise.
I quiver killed a nocta for a duke pt 16 and a kingpin. It’s pretty nice. But the weight difference is big. I double ejected out of my kingpins this year, it put a lot more trust in them for me. It was definitely a situation where I thought they should come off and they did, after that I felt a lot more comfortable skiing on them, but I still prefer the duke pt when I’m about to do something really dumb.
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04-30-2022, 03:45 PM #280Registered User
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Welp, I was wrong about these. Only have a few tours (DOA x2) on the PT12, but so far, they're great. As others have said, solid 'clunk' when you step into em, walk well, transitions are easy, no icing issues as the contact between tech and alpine toe is off the ski, haven't stepped on a brake on the up, same on ski weight as the Shift on the up (with toes in me pocket), much more confidence inspiring on the down. Did a few inbounds, 50 degree-ish, no fall zone, firm laps post-tour, and I didn't give the bindings a second thought; was more focused on keeping the 1930g ski composed that they're mounted to. Only negative is the brakes are a bit short (and I guess the extra weight of the alpine toes in your pocket). Will report back if I have durability issues (don't expect any, they're pretty bomber for what they are), but for my purposes (shorter slack country tours), I prefer these to the Shifts. YMMV. 210#, Dins 11.
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05-01-2022, 01:50 PM #281Registered User
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Last edited by turnfarmer; 05-01-2022 at 01:51 PM. Reason: clarity
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05-02-2022, 12:45 AM #282
PT heels, brakes, and heel tracks are interchangeable with Royal family heels, brakes, and tracks. Only difference is PT track is longer and allows a lot more adjustment.
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10-03-2022, 11:45 AM #283Registered User
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Was nerding out on stack/delta last night and couldn't find it listed anywhere so I measured my Lupos (GW) in PT 12s (downhill setting):
Front: 19 mm, Rear: 29 mm, Delta: 10ish mm. (Same procedure as Spyderjon above.)
Marker now lists Stack as 24 mm on both (12 and 16), not that averages are meaningful in this sense. YMMV.
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10-26-2022, 04:20 PM #284Registered User
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Quick brake question on the Duke PTs.... mounting up a pr of Black Crow Atris' and they are 108 underfoot. QWhich brake should I go for? go 100s or 125s? Wish they had an option in between..... Leaning towards the 125s as I never had much luck with bending the brakes and let alone having the skis clamp together w/ bent brakes
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10-26-2022, 04:28 PM #285
I just dropped off some 106s for mount with 100mm brakes, I'll report back next week when I get them back.
I've heard 106 is about the widest you can get away with.
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10-26-2022, 04:35 PM #286
Just found another fucked up thing from Marker: https://skimo.co/marker-duke-pt-crampons
They make the crampons in either 105 or 125. Clear as mud
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10-26-2022, 05:29 PM #287Registered User
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This sounds about right. 107 underfoot I never mounted was going to be too tight w/o bending 100s, 99 underfoot fit 100s, and 113 under 125s.
If I was unable to verify b4 purchase I would err up. The brakes tuck away nicely once above the top sheet, and I'd also be concerned about bending them too much due to the way the brake interacts with the heel system. YMMV and all that.
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10-26-2022, 08:42 PM #288
New Marker Tech touring binding 20/21?
I have the 100mm Duke PT 16 brake on 104mm Ravens. No bending was required. Fits real close with no sticking. I would concur that ~106mm ish would be the max for the 100mm without bending/grinding?
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10-26-2022, 09:02 PM #289Registered User
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125nn it is then. Thanks All
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10-27-2022, 03:24 AM #290
I mean that’s pretty clear. Waist less then 105 gets a 105, waist less then 125 gets a 125. Why would you put anything on anything bigger. And if you are a weight weenie you are looking at shit from the wrong company. I think their crampons are great and have both widths.
i also have plums for my light set ups and have their crampons too. They are lighter for sure.
I run 100mm brakes on a 108 Atris with the plastic ground off the insides. I don’t recommend it. The brakes do tuck away nicely and the 125 brake works just fine.
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10-28-2022, 10:52 PM #291
Confirming that 100 brakes fit on a 106 ski. Bindings seem nice other than the heel risers… we’ll see how those hold up
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12-04-2022, 10:14 PM #292Registered User
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Duke PT Failure at toe piece while touring
My Duke PT 16s were never able to keep a pin tech boot locked into the toe piece while in tour mode. My local shop checked the width of the inserts in the Dalbello Lupo boots that I had purchased at the same time as the bindings and when referenced back to Dalbello found that they were slightly more narrow than they should have been. The local shop warrantied the boots and the brand new Lupos did the same thing. I tried my buddy's Salomon 4-buckle boot and he was able to twist out of the pin tech toe as well. He is unable to twist out of the Duke PT 16s that are mounted on his skis.
Has anyone experienced or seen examples of this happening? Going back to the local shop tomorrow to discuss -- the problem was first discovered immediately after the first use about one year ago. I'd love to just throw money at this problem and have it disappear. I would love even more if Marker or the local shop would be willing to do the same.
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12-05-2022, 04:02 AM #293
First off, it’s been going on for a year and you are just dealing with it?
Second, google MDV New Hampshire, call them, option 2 for parts and warranty. (Be nice, there is one guy working in parts and warranty and he’s a really good guy, if you are nice he will take care of you)
Third, how much force are you putting on it to twist it out? Are you doing it while fully locked in the third position up on the toe?
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12-06-2022, 01:30 PM #294Registered User
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Started the process a year ago and the shop believed the problem was boots.
Thanks so much for the contact suggestion — that is great info!
Normal torsional pressure is enough to release the boot and it was that way since day one. Ended up buying another pair to mount now while going through warranty. Shop guy thinks the casting of the toe piece looks defective.
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12-07-2022, 03:32 AM #295
is that the same shop guy that thought your boot was defective too? In about 30 seconds on a bench with a different pair of boots a good tech could tell you what’s wrong. is there only one ski shop where you live?
but it sounds like your lock out levers aren’t engaging, the lockout levers were snapping off and not working correctly on the first generation.
marker is usually very quick with warranty stuff. I had kingpin parts two days after calling them.
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12-07-2022, 10:39 AM #296
Anybody have 125mm brakes that wants 100mm brakes?
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02-27-2023, 07:54 PM #299Registered User
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