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  1. #201
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
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    307
    Marker products continue to deliver... My friend just broke a touring toe lever while trying to switch it to locked mode. Will try to post pics later. Place where it snapped looked very much the same as when marker had issues with metal in pins.

  2. #202
    Join Date
    Jan 2021
    Posts
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    First tour out on the Duke PTs and the touring toe lever snapped while doing some moderate traversing - such a disappointment as I had been *extremely* careful while locking out the toe due to the reports of people breaking the lever when pulling it locked. Seems like either a poorly thought out design, or a materials/manufacturing problem.

    I was able to wrestle with it to get the toe-piece back on at the top and the descent was problem-free.

    Really bummed because these things are bomber downhill (unlike reports I've heard from the Shifts). Hoping Marker can sort this out, because I'd much rather have a pair of these than fiddle around with the pre-release issues the Shifts have been having.

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  3. #203
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    CO/UT
    Posts
    2,925
    Marker binders markering. What's new?

  4. #204
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Vancouver
    Posts
    320
    After using the PT for a few days now I can say that for the most part I am really happy. As a 220 lb skier who has always been frustrated with companies prioritizing weight savings over durability I was interested when I heard my buddys complaining about the weight of the PT. So far, no snapped toe levers (hoping for the best..) I am using them on a pair of revolt's as a pow hotlap ski.

    I do feel however that the brake/riser combination functions so poorly that I am at a loss for how it made it through R&D.

    1: The flick lock mechanism that holds the break out of the way for skinning became engaged while I was skiing four times in two days (both shmoo skiing). I stepped out and the brakes did not pop down when I stepped out.

    2: The riser does not stay up. The flick lock mechanism that holds the heel pad down/brakes up has a fair bit of its on play out of the box to begin with. This sloppy foundation combined with the riser’s plastic to plastic interface which also has slop itself left me with heel risers that popped back down while skinning many times over the first two days. I got to the point where I had to pretend I was slab climbing and not load the heel risers abruptly or torque my foot in a switchback whatsoever to keep them in the right position. By the end of the second day, the plastic to plastic interface already was noticeably looser than when I had started.

    It really boggles my mind as to how the final design was approved, especially when there are so many other heel riser mechanisms Marker has used in the past which have never been an issue. Unfortunately it’s not really something I can ignore unless I just want to tour flat all the time so before I get day three on my sturdy steeds I need to do some sort of troubleshooting.

    So as to not just have complained and bounced, I would like to throw out a few ideas that could be passed along to the Marker elites:

    -Don’t use plastic to plastic interfacing for anything that is small, subject to torques and the standard means of interaction is one where a boot is trying to push it back down. You’ve gone basically full metal on the whole binding, skimping for plastic here to save X grams seems silly.
    -Use a tempered metal to create a dynamic compression effect as the riser enters its up position so there is elastic absorption (like toe pieces) when these torques occur
    -Take advantage of magnets if you don’t like the previous suggestion to draw the thing back into place when the boot makes it start to filp back down
    -Reverse the kingpin mechanism with a centre lever to actually get some solid enagement, not the flick lock that flips up while skiing.
    -adopt an approach used on split boards and have a separately mounted riser that leaves only one pivot point for slop
    -use the riser style of the kingpin….. it has to go the opposite way of where the boot is forcing it with each step to end up disengaged.

    Overall it still doesn’t make me want to not use these as they ski well and I do think that the heel mechanism could be replaced as a modular swap.

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