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    Solar Energy is getting really cheap

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcm.../#14552185971f

    The numbers quoted here are ridiculous in both size and pricing.
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

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    This is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    This is awesome.
    Yes it is

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    Perhaps I missed it, do the Kw/hr prices include the tax credit? It is still cool either way.
    Real VTers tap trees.

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    Is there enough available land for more of this? Like I assume 90% of Nevada could be covered with solar panels, but with transmission losses/etc would it still be viable?

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    I just read that at 17% efficiency (pretty standard for new panels, there are panels up to 22.8% available and a panel with 40% efficiency was recently announced) you'd need 10,000 square miles to generate 4 petawatts, which is current US total usage. That's only 100 x 100 miles. The country is 3.8 million square miles. So yeah there's plenty of land. Obviously there's lots of variables but land isn't the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyCarter View Post
    Is there enough available land for more of this?
    Have you driven through Nevada, SE California, Arizona, New Mexico? So to answer your question. Yes. Yes there is.

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    Shocking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Shocking
    Electrifying, really.

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    Ohm man eh pad me ohm, I'm amped up, who's going to trademark the Voltswagon? If Musk had any balls, he'd have called his cars Voltswagons.
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    I won't hear of any resistance either. You won't impede me.
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    President Trump Slaps Tariffs on Solar Panels in Major Blow to Renewable Energy
    The U.S. will impose duties of as much as 30 percent on solar equipment made abroad, a move that threatens to handicap a $28 billion industry that relies on parts made abroad for 80 percent of its supply.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Is this currently inappropriate? Should I switch?
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    Well it's pretty clear the Chinese deliberately underpriced panels and sold them at a loss to put US competitors out of business, and it worked, so some room to allow the US industry to restart might not actually be horrible despite the short-term pain. Of all the tariffs this to me is the least objectionable.

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    Buster are you okay? You seem a little wired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Is this currently inappropriate? Should I switch?
    Only if it hertz

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    It may give new meaning to silicon valley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Well it's pretty clear the Chinese deliberately underpriced panels and sold them at a loss to put US competitors out of business, and it worked, so some room to allow the US industry to restart might not actually be horrible despite the short-term pain. Of all the tariffs this to me is the least objectionable.
    Thing that really sucks is people who went all in based on current costs now will get charged a 30% premium on maintenance and replacement parts. Rather than add what amounts to a 30% tax on existing supply channels, why not subsidize local competition instead?
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Thing that really sucks is people who went all in based on current costs now will get charged a 30% premium on maintenance and replacement parts. Rather than add what amounts to a 30% tax on existing supply channels, why not subsidize local competition instead?
    Didnít you hear? China pays the tariffs.

    Subsidies would cost us money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    why not subsidize local competition instead?
    Because Trump thinks the Chinese have to pay the tariffs rather than the US customers who actually pay them.

    edit: Shit, too slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Because Trump thinks
    too slow.
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    That's gotta be pretty much the end of wind, too, I'd think. Those machines are too big and complex and expensive to compete with solar panels. And I just read that the big local project hopes to get down to eleven cents/kwh by 2027.

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    I thought that cancer was the end of wind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinFromSA View Post
    Have you driven through Nevada, SE California, Arizona, New Mexico? So to answer your question. Yes. Yes there is.
    not true. Great swathes of Texas, on the other hand . . .

    But rooftop is better than sacrificing l;and: keep the source close to the destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms ann thrope View Post
    not true. Great swathes of Texas, on the other hand . . .

    But rooftop is better than sacrificing l;and: keep the source close to the destination.
    Yeah just get every damned homeowner to put solar on the roof and it sure could be fantastic. I know ca has some mandatory rules for new builds and renewable.

    The fight is just as much the grid companies as it is the coal/natgas.. they lose due to the fact that they choose to fight the change. I will admit upgrading at their own cost would suck but power grids were really build to deliver not take in electricity far as I understand. No Holiday inn Express last night so.


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