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    ^huh.

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    Plutonium free powder was a rally cry for peeps in JH some years ago. I wasnít harshing on INEL. It brings a lot of normality to IF.

    Actually, a few years back, I got a VIP tour of the facility. I spent a full day with the Director. Flat out, one of the coolest things Iíve ever done in my life. We went into four or so different reactors. Water soaked glowing rods and everything. Watched incinerators, etc, and other crazy stuff. Really cool learning experience.

    Iím In the Falls every month or so. Itís not that bad. Over the years, weíve met many people from there, and they all say navagating the Mormons is difficult but not impossible.

    All say itís hard on their children.

    One thing to keep in mind. Having been visiting the balls for close to thirty years, Iím amazed by the *explosive* growth taking place. Every new neighborhood has a Mormon temple in it.
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    ^^ You have every right to be concerned about INL. After all, it is the site where two workers died in a reactor explosion and had to be buried in lead coffins.

    Edit: it was three workers who died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    Just left Boise after years in PDX and it is a huge culture shock even in “the big city.” It’s not even the politics of it, but the general attitude.

    I found it really frustrating to try and work out there because everything moves so fucking slow and most of the people like it that way. Everything is done they way it’s always been done without much thought about making it better.

    I also found that people were nice enough and generous to people they knew personally, but don’t give a fuck about services, infrastructure and anything that’s “greater good” sort of stuff. If you move there not knowing anyone you’ll be on your own. The racism and sexism and all that isn’t necessarily overt like Northern Idaho, but there’s a strong undercurrent of it everywhere.
    Seems to be the consensus with Boise. People read about how great it is on a bunch of top 10 lists, move here, and then want it to change. Long time locals liked what it was but not what it is turning into.
    Turns out we're now falling out of the top 10 lists because we can't keep up with the infrastructure, housing, etc. from all the people moving here and the new people don't like it. Plus, property value is up a lot and along with that, property taxes to try to keep up with the infrastructure people expect. My property taxes are now $100 more per month than I paid in a year when I bought my house (property value up 300%, taxes up 1200%). My commute is three times as long, bike trails are crowded, pow is skied off in an hour when it used to last at least a day, and some of my favorite restaurants now require mid week reservations to get a table. Friends that have been saving for years to buy a house can't because they are competing with out of state equity cash buys and can't get a house. Friends who rent are having a hard time finding places to rent. Weird that the long timers are not always super outgoing to new comers. I try but it's tough to look at how things are changing. "Should have been here yesterday" is a quote that often comes to mind. I get that people who want a certain lifestyle have every right to pursue it here, but I don't have to be happy with my lifestyle changing to accommodate. Not much I can do to change it though.

    I liked it 5-10 years ago. Now, I have to try to find the silver lining. So yeah, I like it the ways you didn't. No offense meant to you...just an observation. Always two sides to the coin.

    I'm assuming that is the case for a lot of towns seeing an influx of migration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post

    I liked it 5-10 years ago. Now, I have to try to find the silver lining. So yeah, I like it the ways you didn't. No offense meant to you...just an observation. Always two sides to the coin.
    None taken. I really liked Boise (still do). Our move into and out of Boise was driven by family and work scenarios, not by wanting to leave the area.

    The rest of Idaho was frustrating in many ways outlined above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    ^^ You have every right to be concerned about INL. After all, it is the site where two workers died in a reactor explosion and had to be buried in lead coffins.

    Edit: it was three workers who died.
    What is the point of this comment? That they are covering up a whole bunch of conspiracies there or something? INL only improves IF by bringing in some normalcy and critical thinking.

    I bought a used car off the director a couple years back during a divorce he went through. To say he was fastidious about maintenance and keeping it in tip top shape would be an understatement, on a 10 year old car even. I highly doubt he is playing fast and loose with nuclear reactors which are his bread and butter.

    The plutonium free powder stickers are still out and about. I don't think they are naturally as out there mentally as chem trail people but its close. I really get a kick out em when I see them on rusty Taco's during the spring exodus down in Moab.
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    My favorite part of going to IF now is going to Popeye’s.
    Mmm...spicy crispy thighs and biscuits...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    My favorite part of going to IF now is going to Popeyeís.
    Mmm...spicy crispy thighs and biscuits...
    We hit IF every 3-4 weeks for supplies. I have yet to buy a paper product at Broulims. Gotta hit Popeye's on the next go round. I love the feel of chest pain in the AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    What is the point of this comment? That they are covering up a whole bunch of conspiracies there or something?
    Whatís the point? As far as I know, these are the only deaths associated with a nuclear reactor accident in the US. Our very own mini-Chernobyl, with a reactor exploding and all.

    I donít think the story was widely known, although there have been some recent books about it, thatís all.

    Whether they are covering up anything, or have covered up anything in the past, Iíd have no way of knowing, but didnít mean to imply that.

    Just pointing out that some time in the past, there was, in fact, a major fuck up there that resulted in fatalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    I highly doubt he is playing fast and loose...
    But was his ol' lady fast and loose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiing-in-jackson View Post
    Over the years, weíve met many people from there, and they all say navagating the Mormons is difficult but not impossible.

    All say itís hard on their children.

    One thing to keep in mind. Having been visiting the balls for close to thirty years, Iím amazed by the *explosive* growth taking place. Every new neighborhood has a Mormon temple in it.
    I think it depends on the kid. I moved to a very strong/small LDS community in SE Idaho in 6th grade. Being a non-mormon it was weird for sure. However, I adapted no problem but my younger sister definitely struggled to fit in more than me. Ironically, after all these years she lives in UT and joined the mormon church

    A lot of my mormon friends were pretty wild in highschool, even though they didn't drink. Later they went on missions, came back straight and narrow, and had a bunch of kids. It can be a bit oppressive at first because they will try to get other non-mormon kids to go to church functions, etc. but after a while it was no big deal. If you are assertive enough they tend to move to a different potential candidate. Part of it for me was probably spending a lot of time alone or with my dad in the mountains, etc. so didn't rely on them for social bs. When a kid asked me what ward I was in for the first time though I thought we were all going to be part of an asylum or something. I also had a good LDS friend in college that never even brought up religion, so it really varies I guess. There are other weird things like getting used to them calling each other brother and sister and the seminaries set up right across the street from schools. All in all for me though being 2 blocks from fishing and hunting opportunities and being nestled in some really cool mountains outweighed the cons. If I had relied on other kids for entertainment/social activity I guess it could have been different, but I didn't really care about that crap, I just wanted to be outdoors doing fun stuff.

    Also, it's "stake centers" not temples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapt View Post
    There's actually 2 good mexican places and that's about it for eats.
    Well, that's a stretch. Plus, don't you know how to cook? ha (or maybe that's a benny joke or something)

    Never understood restaurants being a part of decision making for where to live, but I know I'm the odd person out on that one.
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    Anybody live in or have experience with Idaho Falls

    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    ^^ You have every right to be concerned about INL. After all, it is the site where two workers died in a reactor explosion and had to be buried in lead coffins.

    Edit: it was three workers who died.
    That happened a long time ago

    The SL-1 Reactor Accident

    The world's first fatal atomic accident occurred on January 3, 1961 when a small, 3MW experimental BWR called SL-1 (Stationary Low-Power Plant No. 1) in Idaho was destroyed after a control rod was removed manually.
    At 9:01pm, alarms sounded at the fire stations and security headquarters of the U.S. National Reactor Testing Station where the reactor was located. Investigation found two operators dead (third died later), and detected high radiation levels in the building.

    A careful examination of the remains of the core and the vessel concluded that the control rod was manually withdrawn by about 50 centimeters (40 centimeters would have been enough to make the reactor critical), largely increasing the reactivity. The resulting power surge caused the reactor power to reach 20,000MW in about .01 seconds, causing the plate-type fuel to melt. The molten fuel interacted with the water in the vessel, producing an explosive formation of steam that caused the water above the core to rise with such force that when it hit the lid of the pressure vessel, the vessel itself rose 3 meters in the air before dropping back down.

    The SL-1 accident was the first fatal nuclear accident in the United States. The men killed in the incident were two Army Specialists, John Byrnes, age 25 and Richard McKinley, age 22, and Richard Legg, a 25 year old Navy Electricians Mate. Richard McKinley was interred in Arlington National Cemetery. John Byrnes and Richard Legg were buried in their hometowns in New York and Michigan.


    See the entire SL-1 Reactor Accident documentary! Over 90 minutes of video on DVD!
    These two films from the 1960s include actual footage of the recovery effort, views from both inside and outside the reactor building, close up reactor images and rare views inside the former NRTS facilities.

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    As quoted by Arlington National Cemetary Records:

    "3 January 1961: A reactor explosion (attributed by a Nuclear Regulatory Commission source to sabotage) at the National Reactor Testing Station in Idaho Falls, Idaho, killed one navy technician and two army technicians, and released radioactivity "largely confined" (words of John A. McCone, Director of the Atomic Energy Commission) to the reactor building. The three men were killed as they moved fuel rods in a "routine" preparation for the reactor start-up. One technician was blown to the ceiling of the containment dome and impaled on a control rod. His body remained there until it was taken down six days later. The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive waste, and their bodies were interred in lead coffins."

    From the Arlington National Cemetary Records:

    HEADQUARTERS
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    In Reply Refer To
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    SUBJECT: Internment of Radioactive Remains

    TO: Superintendent
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    1. Radioactive remains of SP4 Richard L. McKinley were interred at Arlington National Cemetery on 25 January 1961.

    2. It is desired that the following remark be placed onthe permanent record, DA Form 2122, Record ofInternment:

    "Victim of nuclear accident. Body is contaminated with long-life radio-active isotopes. Under no circumstances will the body be moved from this location without prior approval of the Atomic Energy Commission in consultation with this headquarters."

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    I had no idea about IF & INL, it was still hot (ish) in 2000

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

    Numerous radiation surveys and cleanup of the surface of the burial ground and surrounding area have been performed in the years since the SL-1 accident. Aerial surveys were performed by EG&G Las Vegas in 1974, 1982, 1990, and 1993. The Radiological and Environmental Sciences Laboratory conducted gamma radiation surveys every 3 to 4 years between 1973 and 1987 and every year between 1987 and 1994. Particle-picking at the site was performed in 1985 and 1993. Results from the surveys indicated that cesium-137 and its progeny (decay products) are the primary surface-soil contaminants. During a survey of surface soil in June 1994, "hot spots," areas of higher radioactivity, were found within the burial ground with activities ranging from 0.1 to 50 milliroentgen (mR)/hour. On November 17, 1994, the highest radiation reading measured at 2.5 feet (0.75 m) above the surface at the SL-1 burial ground was 0.5 mR/hour; local background radiation was 0.2 mR/hour. A 1995 assessment by the EPA recommended that a cap be placed over the burial mounds. The primary remedy for SL-1 was to be containment by capping with an engineered barrier constructed primarily of native materials.[35] This remedial action was completed in 2000 and first reviewed by the EPA in 2003

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineZone View Post
    Hi Cdubmpdx! May I suggest that instead of an irradiated, Mormonized, bleak, arid wasteland like Idaho Falls that you "think outside the box" and instead relocate to the northeast, home of the gnarliest snowriding in the USA? I would proffer that all things considered,the northeast is the clear choice. The riding is more challenging here due to the variable conditions, the snow is better due to the cold temperatures, more consistant snowfall as well as superior snowmaking (and LOTS of water for the snowmaking systems) as well as a truly more enriching urban and mountain lifestyle. Also, the culture is superior, the history is rich and the "Norman Rockwell" factor is prevalent everywhere you turn.The terrain is truly fabulous, the partying is unmatched anywhere(can you say "hot New Jersey Italian babes?"). If you can shred here, you can shred ANYWHERE. When you score your first Killington powder day in "Anarchy", "The Throne", "Chop Chop" or "Patsy", you will be grinning from ear to ear, I promise you!. You will also find that the clientele(as well as your co-workers) will tend to be more educated and well-rounded, not your typical one-dimensional "great basin" yahoos. Okemo, Stratton, or Killington Vermont would be better than Idaho in every way!
    I would also like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all TGR Maggots, NewSchoolers, Pugskiazoids, jongs and lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of snowriding aficionados at http://forums.alpinezone.com/. I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. I can assure you that "newbies"'(jongs) are welcomed with open arms by our entire community(unlike here at TGR), and there is no "hazing period" or rudeness tolerated. We also have superior bandwidth and response times on our 502g superfibre network as well as a state-of-the-art virtual blade server farm with 5000 terabytes of virtual disk space for your photos, blogs etc. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is strictly "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. If you are tired of the juvenile goings-on at TGR and Newschoolers and yearn for a snowriding forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"!
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    Hi Cdubmpdx! May I suggest that instead of an irradiated, Mormonized, bleak, arid wasteland like Idaho Falls that you "think outside the box" and instead relocate to the northeast, home of the gnarliest snowriding in the USA? I would proffer that all things considered,the northeast is the clear choice. The riding is more challenging here due to the variable conditions, the snow is better due to the cold temperatures, more consistant snowfall as well as superior snowmaking (and LOTS of water for the snowmaking systems) as well as a truly more enriching urban and mountain lifestyle. Also, the culture is superior, the history is rich and the "Norman Rockwell" factor is prevalent everywhere you turn.The terrain is truly fabulous, the partying is unmatched anywhere(can you say "hot New Jersey Italian babes?"). If you can shred here, you can shred ANYWHERE. When you score your first Killington powder day in "Anarchy", "The Throne", "Chop Chop" or "Patsy", you will be grinning from ear to ear, I promise you!. You will also find that the clientele(as well as your co-workers) will tend to be more educated and well-rounded, not your typical one-dimensional "great basin" yahoos. Okemo, Stratton, or Killington Vermont would be better than Idaho in every way!
    I would also like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all TGR Maggots, NewSchoolers, Pugskiazoids, jongs and lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of snowriding aficionados at http://forums.alpinezone.com/. I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. I can assure you that "newbies"'(jongs) are welcomed with open arms by our entire community(unlike here at TGR), and there is no "hazing period" or rudeness tolerated. We also have superior bandwidth and response times on our 502g superfibre network as well as a state-of-the-art virtual blade server farm with 5000 terabytes of virtual disk space for your photos, blogs etc. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is strictly "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. If you are tired of the juvenile goings-on at TGR and Newschoolers and yearn for a snowriding forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineZone View Post
    Hi Cdubmpdx! May I suggest that instead of an irradiated, Mormonized, bleak, arid wasteland like Idaho Falls that you "think outside the box" and instead relocate to the northeast, home of the gnarliest snowriding in the USA? I would proffer that all things considered,the northeast is the clear choice. The riding is more challenging here due to the variable conditions, the snow is better due to the cold temperatures, more consistant snowfall as well as superior snowmaking (and LOTS of water for the snowmaking systems) as well as a truly more enriching urban and mountain lifestyle. Also, the culture is superior, the history is rich and the "Norman Rockwell" factor is prevalent everywhere you turn.The terrain is truly fabulous, the partying is unmatched anywhere(can you say "hot New Jersey Italian babes?"). If you can shred here, you can shred ANYWHERE. When you score your first Killington powder day in "Anarchy", "The Throne", "Chop Chop" or "Patsy", you will be grinning from ear to ear, I promise you!. You will also find that the clientele(as well as your co-workers) will tend to be more educated and well-rounded, not your typical one-dimensional "great basin" yahoos. Okemo, Stratton, or Killington Vermont would be better than Idaho in every way!
    I would also like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all TGR Maggots, NewSchoolers, Pugskiazoids, jongs and lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of snowriding aficionados at http://forums.alpinezone.com/. I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. I can assure you that "newbies"'(jongs) are welcomed with open arms by our entire community(unlike here at TGR), and there is no "hazing period" or rudeness tolerated. We also have superior bandwidth and response times on our 502g superfibre network as well as a state-of-the-art virtual blade server farm with 5000 terabytes of virtual disk space for your photos, blogs etc. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is strictly "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. If you are tired of the juvenile goings-on at TGR and Newschoolers and yearn for a snowriding forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"!
    Oh Christ, you've got to be kidding me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by new yabyum View Post
    Oh Christ, you've got to be kidding me.
    It's for real. Greg is a good guy but does not stand for bologna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    Well, that's a stretch. Plus, don't you know how to cook? ha (or maybe that's a benny joke or something)

    Never understood restaurants being a part of decision making for where to live, but I know I'm the odd person out on that one.
    Lots of good restaurants indicate easily available, good quality ingredients... which are helpful if you do like to cook for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Lots of good restaurants indicate easily available, good quality ingredients... which are helpful if you do like to cook for yourself.
    Marmots are plentiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlpineZone View Post
    Hi Cdubmpdx! May I suggest that instead of an irradiated, Mormonized, bleak, arid wasteland like Idaho Falls that you "think outside the box" and instead relocate to the northeast, home of the gnarliest snowriding in the USA? I would proffer that all things considered,the northeast is the clear choice. The riding is more challenging here due to the variable conditions, the snow is better due to the cold temperatures, more consistant snowfall as well as superior snowmaking (and LOTS of water for the snowmaking systems) as well as a truly more enriching urban and mountain lifestyle. Also, the culture is superior, the history is rich and the "Norman Rockwell" factor is prevalent everywhere you turn.The terrain is truly fabulous, the partying is unmatched anywhere(can you say "hot New Jersey Italian babes?"). If you can shred here, you can shred ANYWHERE. When you score your first Killington powder day in "Anarchy", "The Throne", "Chop Chop" or "Patsy", you will be grinning from ear to ear, I promise you!. You will also find that the clientele(as well as your co-workers) will tend to be more educated and well-rounded, not your typical one-dimensional "great basin" yahoos. Okemo, Stratton, or Killington Vermont would be better than Idaho in every way!
    I would also like to take this opportunity to formally invite you (as well as all TGR Maggots, NewSchoolers, Pugskiazoids, jongs and lurkers alike) to come join our fun-loving but responsible bunch of snowriding aficionados at http://forums.alpinezone.com/. I think most all of you will find that our seasoned moderators "keep the bar high" by maintaining a sense of order and decorum, while encouraging quality discussion about our favorite pastime. I can assure you that "newbies"'(jongs) are welcomed with open arms by our entire community(unlike here at TGR), and there is no "hazing period" or rudeness tolerated. We also have superior bandwidth and response times on our 502g superfibre network as well as a state-of-the-art virtual blade server farm with 5000 terabytes of virtual disk space for your photos, blogs etc. It may take a small amount of getting used to, as we do have reasonable standards as far as language and image posting that are strictly enforced. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. I will warn you however up front that registering an ALIAS is strictly "VERBOTEN", and something we have zero-tolerance with. If you are tired of the juvenile goings-on at TGR and Newschoolers and yearn for a snowriding forum that matches your maturity level, all I can say is: "Come join the fun"!
    WOOOOOO!!!! FUCK FUN!!

    Have to agree on the bleak, arid, mormonized part though... Personally I think anywhere in western montana/n idaho or PNW is better

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    Quote Originally Posted by white_wolf View Post
    WOOOOOO!!!! FUCK FUN!!

    Have to agree on the bleak, arid, mormonized part though... Personally I think anywhere in western montana/n idaho or PNW is better
    Thanks for all the input. We are going a different direction. I have concerns about all that is mentioned as well as breaking into the business community as a non-morman. Going back to the Spokane CDA area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    What’s the point? As far as I know, these are the only deaths associated with a nuclear reactor accident in the US. Our very own mini-Chernobyl, with a reactor exploding and all.

    I don’t think the story was widely known, although there have been some recent books about it, that’s all.

    Whether they are covering up anything, or have covered up anything in the past, I’d have no way of knowing, but didn’t mean to imply that.

    Just pointing out that some time in the past, there was, in fact, a major fuck up there that resulted in fatalities.
    SL-1 isn't the only reactor the DOE or Navy melted down out there. Check out what they did with the Borax experiment. Good thing the Atomic Plane never took off, but kind of a cool theory how it worked, but not cool having the reactor flux spewing out isotopes into the atmosphere, we took take of that later with atmospheric atomic testing.

    If you're that concerned with the contamination out there and want even further disturbing information, look up what the deep injection wells out there pumped down onto the "impermeable" basalt of the Snake River aquifer.

    Also of note, the melted core of Three Mile Island is out there too decaying away in a water pool/concrete tomb.

    The SL-1 incident is a good read in a book called "Idaho Falls". Sounds like some goofy jealousy shit going on there with that accident. Everytime I drive over to Targhee we usually take 20/26 and drive right by the rip rap covering the reactor site.

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