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    that's not much of a premium to live in North Carolina.

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    Heading into the 3rd year of medical school I had no idea what kind of doctor I wanted to be. All that year nothing really grabbed me. My last rotation was general surgery. The first day I got to put in a chest tube--the first procedure other than drawing blood or starting an iv I had done. I knew right then I wanted to be a general surgeon. That Saturday the attending came to the VA to make rounds and I really wanted to impress. I made a brilliant presentation of a complicated patient. As the group walked away from the bedside the attending hung back with me and put his arm around my shoulders. My heart beat faster as I prepared to hear his praise. He whispered in my ear--"your fly is down".

    I was lucky to find the profession that was meant for me. I got to use my hands and my brain and it didn't put as much demand on my personality as other kinds of medicine or other jobs would have done. I did work on that my whole career; as the cases got more and more routine the interaction with patients became more and more satisfying. I was also lucky to work at Kaiser, which was very good for me and good to me.

    I really enjoyed medical school and residency, despite how much work they were. I tell young people that if they don't like the schooling and training they probably won't like the job. I worry because my eldest son doesn't seem to enjoy general surgery residency that much. I hope my theory is wrong. I think he'd rather be on ski patrol throwing bombs and getting first tracks while all of you wait for KT to start loading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    that's not much of a premium to live in North Carolina.
    it beats keep being poor in your version of paradise. So many angry around here for the lifestyle decisions of supposedly living in paradise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless View Post

    I get more excited about a low mileage 90s Toyota product.
    Bobby, care to branch out to late 90’s Nissans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncskier View Post
    it beats keep being poor in your version of paradise. So many angry around here for the lifestyle decisions of supposedly living in paradise.
    thinking like that's how I made the mistake of living in the mid-atlantic. if it works for you, great. but this is, well, a ski website.

    I don't live in paradise, a dump far from it, and I pay every day in a different way.

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    If people so happy in the mid-Atlantic why are they always talking about money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I'm one of those. I am in my 60's and I tried being retired, then tried being semi-retired (consultant for my former company) and I found I did not enjoy it. I went back to work in a totally different field, started at the bottom and now run the show. I found that the social aspect of work is what I enjoy. Interacting with my coworkers and the public is why I keep working.
    Smells like passion.

    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    I know too many trade people who's lives got royally fucked in '07-09 to say that.

    edit: at the end all of these things are macro at some level. want to make money in a trade you are a small businessman. subject to the vicissitudes of such a life. cube rat gos on funemployment which is annoying. small businessman eats savings.
    There are so many people that “lost it all” in the trades in ‘07-10. I wonder how many people “had it all” in ‘02-06 that then lost it all. The people that lost it all in the Great Recession made their net worth in the few years leading up to it. Those who made a good chuck prior to the buildup and recession kept a bunch and are crushing it now. Everyone can help blow bubbles. Bummer is they pop.

    Look at craigslist for newish 3/4 ton diesels with a lift that go for sale when the market turns. I bet the contractors without AP issues are driving a little bit older, modest vehicle. Saving money is a hell of a drug. And not taking on too many jobs with subs that will fold before the occupancy cert is the enabler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I'm one of those. I am in my 60's and I tried being retired, then tried being semi-retired (consultant for my former company) and I found I did not enjoy it. I went back to work in a totally different field, started at the bottom and now run the show. I found that the social aspect of work is what I enjoy. Interacting with my coworkers and the public is why I keep working.
    That's awesome, Harry. I doubt a lot of people are in that position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    There are so many people that “lost it all” in the trades in ‘07-10. I wonder how many people “had it all” in ‘02-06 that then lost it all. The people that lost it all in the Great Recession made their net worth in the few years leading up to it
    what's called the "great recession" covered a lot of things. One of those things was pretty substantial changes in regional US real estate spending patterns - you can find a number of mags talking about the decline in CT real estate. Another area was pretty large changes in across the US consumption patterns - my, current, "dream job", trade (retail music) has seen a broad change in business and a bunch of suppliers/participants who never recovered from the GR. Business down >40% and it never recovered.

    One cottage manufacturer described the business as "eating like a snake". You take a few meals randomly. Not hard to see how a recession can fuck you over long term.

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    Supply and demand. Capitalism. I’m not saying what we have is a true capitalistic society. But what we have is an evolving economy. When you say people lost it all you are saying they invested in something that didn’t play out out and they lost it all. They didn’t have to invest anything therefore no losses.

    If you mean the market changed and no none is buying their shit...sure, that happens. I guess the gov could have stepped in. If you’re saying builders of great wealth lost their asses the last go around, I’d argue they over extended new money style.

    Edit. I mean those currently trying to do biz. Not those that had their retirement accounts f’d by what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supermoon View Post
    I should have been a firefighter or joined the military right out of high school. I'd be two years away from my 20 by now...
    The fuck if I don't kick myself all the time over this very thing. Growing up my best friends father was a paid fire captn. he told us after high school to just take the test, like wtf why not he said? We were dumb kids more interested in drinking beer and getting laid. Would've been a pretty sweet gig. I got friends who became small"ish" town cops in NJ, I graduated with them, they are now retired under 50...no clue what they will do with their time, but damn it must be sweet to have that problem when you still got some good years left.

    I also have some thoughts on higher education. I don't think college is bad, I think the problem is a lot of kids 1) don't have a clue what they want to do since they likely haven't really done much but school up til this decision. 2) pick majors that don't really have a useful purpose towards gainful employment upon receipt of degree. I think a decent idea would be to let kids get jobs after high school for a couple year, see whats out there for them, without a degree, see what they like, get some partying out then start college, maybe at 21ish. 2) education lenders should weight the degree against the money being lent. If degree has a high likelihood of good future employment you get more money, you wanna study ancient sandscrit? Well we will give you some money, but not a lot. Yeah yeah I know banks are in for profit, they dont care about what degree you get, just that you pay back the loan. Just seems like both the above might help in some ways.
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    In technology there's a bunch of dev schools now that take a chunk of salary post-grad if you make over 50k for a period.
    It seems that's a model that will likely work for a lot of things. Also, the schools generally setup close relationships with larger employers, so the curriculum is continually reworked based on market need. Fundamentally changes the experience, but seems like there's absolutely a place for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuss View Post
    In technology there's a bunch of dev schools now that take a chunk of salary post-grad if you make over 50k for a period.
    It seems that's a model that will likely work for a lot of things. Also, the schools generally setup close relationships with larger employers, so the curriculum is continually reworked based on market need. Fundamentally changes the experience, but seems like there's absolutely a place for it.
    This perspective is mind boggling to me. Curricula in higher education being dictated by corporations seems antithetical to the real purpose of a college education, which is, and should always be, about acquiring knowledge for learning's sake. It makes me truly sad for the future that there are people out there who only see education as a foil for their greed.

    We don't need critical thinking or facts any more, just believe the latest line from Corporate and don't question anything, there's a financially secure future at the end of it. The selling out of America is now complete. Live it up and die young, because it's all going to shit in a hurry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    This perspective is mind boggling to me. Curricula in higher education being dictated by corporations seems antithetical to the real purpose of a college education, which is, and should always be, about acquiring knowledge for learning's sake. It makes me truly sad for the future that there are people out there who only see education as a foil for their greed.

    We don't need critical thinking or facts any more, just believe the latest line from Corporate and don't question anything, there's a financially secure future at the end of it. The selling out of America is now complete. Live it up and die young, because it's all going to shit in a hurry.
    It's just trade school, same as it's ever been. Just because it's a white collar job doesn't change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncskier View Post
    I know a ton of pharma reps making 150k plus who barely work 25 hours a week.
    Yeah, nothing wrong with that situation, eh?

    Fuck big pharma raping Americans. Winning!

    Money is overrated in this whole discussion. Sure you need to make a decent wage, but it isn't everything.

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    Look at craigslist for newish 3/4 ton diesels with a lift that go for sale when the market turns. I bet the contractors without AP issues are driving a little bit older, modest vehicle. Saving money is a hell of a drug. And not taking on too many jobs with subs that will fold before the occupancy cert is the enabler.
    This is so true. I got a half serious rule on my job site, no $75 trucks and no $4K rims. 'Round here, when development is hot, a bunch of bad businessmen and contractors that are not really into it get in over there head. We are all one bad decision from being out of business. Those of us that made it through the last recession are pretty financially conservative and don't fuck around when it comes to overdue invoices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    It's just trade school, same as it's ever been. Just because it's a white collar job doesn't change that.
    That is the big confusion: people think college is trade school. the STEM movement is doing its best to bolster this misapprehension among parents, students and educators (well, administrators). You can learn a trade on your summers off, during your gap years. Use school to learn the things that pique your interest; take advantage of the outing program that will send you places you might not have gone on your own; live in a language house; join the debate team so you can cope with the Padded Room; study art and design so when you want to stop being a wood butcher and open a custom cabinet shop you have some idea of what to build. College is not about learning a trade, but it might give you a better chance of prospering in one.
    And graduate school is for focusing on what you've decided to do next, anyway. It seems that most people who yammer about college don't really understand the basics of it . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms ann thrope View Post
    That is the big confusion: people think college is trade school. the STEM movement is doing its best to bolster this misapprehension among parents, students and educators (well, administrators). You can learn a trade on your summers off, during your gap years. Use school to learn the things that pique your interest; take advantage of the outing program that will send you places you might not have gone on your own; live in a language house; join the debate team so you can cope with the Padded Room; study art and design so when you want to stop being a wood butcher and open a custom cabinet shop you have some idea of what to build. College is not about learning a trade, but it might give you a better chance of prospering in one.
    And graduate school is for focusing on what you've decided to do next, anyway. It seems that most people who yammer about college don't really understand the basics of it . . .
    I'm not confused. I understand the greater purpose of a college education, but that doesn't change the fact that it's morphed/morphing into trade school. Those who seek a broader education can still find it but just look at ncskier's post in this thread to understand what 'merica thinks of those folks.

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    hate my job
    I"m sitting here in my pj's working
    hate where I live
    ski towns suck the life out of you
    hate my life
    it didn't turn out like it was suppose to
    just finished my billing cycle for june
    80k coming my way, what bike should I buy? nevermind wrong thread
    not sure if I should do a bong hit or smoke a doobie
    the joint always makes my hands smell bad and I hate going to a meeting and catching a whiff of weed and knowing it's me

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    I'm not confused. I understand the greater purpose of a college education, but that doesn't change the fact that it's morphed/morphing into trade school. Those who seek a broader education can still find it but just look at ncskier's post in this thread to understand what 'merica thinks of those folks.
    So do you think this morphing is good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post

    80k coming my way, what bike should I buy? nevermind wrong thread
    The red one!

    the joint always makes my hands smell bad and I hate going to a meeting and catching a whiff of weed and knowing it's me
    Yeah, me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    So do you think this morphing is good?
    I don't know. What I do know is we need an educated society and we need our young people to learn marketable job skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post
    hate my job
    I"m sitting here in my pj's working
    hate where I live
    ski towns suck the life out of you
    hate my life
    it didn't turn out like it was suppose to
    just finished my billing cycle for june
    80k coming my way, what bike should I buy? nevermind wrong thread
    not sure if I should do a bong hit or smoke a doobie
    the joint always makes my hands smell bad and I hate going to a meeting and catching a whiff of weed and knowing it's me
    Move to Rifle, build spec homes...staying up valley too long is not good for your health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Move to Rifle, build spec homes...staying up valley too long is not good for your health.
    I have other places picked out, can't tell you cause I don't want everyone to move there and "ruin it" like they did to the town I live in now
    I'm just bent out of shape because simple beat me to one of the spots I picked

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    The red one!



    Yeah, me too.
    thanks for the help there are only two choices matte black and red

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