Great Boeing 737 max analysis

[Ted Striker]

iceman is right.

[m2711c]

about the whole skiing in jeans thing?

[riser4]

Could existing units be turned into cargo planes if production stops and not used for commercial passenger?


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Is there precedent for this?

[XXX-er]

Unsafe is unsafe, I don't think you can turn 737's into cargo planes before this is settled

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...rter-1.5223129

Boeing is having the big losses, they are still making the 737 max but not delivering them

the big question might be when to buy boeing stock ?

[plugboots]

I thought the existing plans could be used because it’s a software fix?

[XXX-er]

The 737MAX will probably get certifyed but it It all takes time, meanwhile they are still building em/parking em at the plant, those planes will all have to be retro fitted with whatever is needed, it might software or maybe the 2 sensors need to act independantly of one another ... fucknose eh

one thing for certain its costing Boeing butt loads of money

[dunfree]

Is there precedent for this?

there are a number of 737 freighter conversion around now. the question isn't "can it be done technically" it's "can it be done profitably because there are buyers" and I have no idea about the latter.

[iceman]

I'm sure the planes aren't going to the junkyard. I wouldn't be amazed if they made them add another Angle of Attack sensor so there's three so the software can be written reject a single reading that's way off the other 2.

[neufox47]

Could existing units be turned into cargo planes if production stops and not used for commercial passenger?


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I imagine that is plan Z and probably only occurs if Boeing were to file bankruptcy.

[4matic]

Even if they get certified are they too tainted for passengers? If so sell the whole fleet to Amazon for cargo or strip the engines for a new design. Ralph Nader lost family in Ethiopian crash and he’s not going down easily.

[muted]

They would probably be safer than what some airlines in Nepal use, send it them so they can upgrade.

[4matic]

Is part of the problem that many commercial pilots don’t have that much VFR experience? The crew that belly landed at SFO did mostly instrument landing and SFO wasn’t equipped for that.


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[dunfree]

They would probably be safer than what some airlines in Nepal use, send it them so they can upgrade.

737 doesn't have good "rock in the middle of the runway" avoidance skills. boeing already poisoned the 737max well in the biggest/least safe aviation market - Indonesia.

iceman - first couple 787 fuckups were scrapped because noone wanted them. anything that's "unique" maintenance wise becomes a pita

[dunfree]

Rename

already done.
https://onemileatatime.com/ryanair-renames-737-max/

[billyk]

already done.
https://onemileatatime.com/ryanair-renames-737-max/

Instead of 737-MAX, it should be 737-MWP, for “minimum wage programmed”.

[AK47bp]

Instead of 737-MAX, it should be 737-MWP, for “minimum wage programmed”.

Or 737 MEH


“Will we make it to our destination? ......Meh.”


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[Ted Striker]

Is part of the problem that many commercial pilots don’t have that much VFR experience? The crew that belly landed at SFO did mostly instrument landing and SFO wasn’t equipped for that.

No on the first sentence.

If you're referring to Asiana 214 in the second sentence, that's a whole other can of worms.

[dunfree]

shitty software doesn't seem to be a Boeing only thing...
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/0...bug_149_hours/
Airbus A350 software bug forces airlines to turn planes off and on every 149 hours

[Ted Striker]

^^^ older airbuses have a thing with the clock. There's a self-diagnostic on the wingtip brake system that needs to maintain a log, so if the clock is off by more than that amount of time, you're not going flying.

[wooley12]

6 months later things are looking worse.

https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...ts-of-737-max/


https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...box=1578680012

[Benny Profane]

At least Germany prosecuted VW execs for this sort of criminal behavior.

[PNWbrit]

At least Germany prosecuted VW execs for this sort of criminal behavior.

So did the US.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...or-diesel-role

[jackattack]

At least Germany prosecuted VW execs for this sort of criminal behavior.

how many ppl did they kill?

[Benny Profane]

how many ppl did they kill?

Possibly tens of thousands by polluting the air.

[wooley12]

Not sure how many killed directly, couple three hundred? I wonder what number of accidents were factored into the equation that the CFO used in his cost v savings analysis of pushing speed over safety. Maybe in 10 years the'll just be making war planes ans border protection drones. Culture is a hard thing to turn around.