I’m not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

[pureantigravity]

Don’t forget raping young children. That’s a core tenet of Christian leadership.


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Or any other power structure.
I'd bet (just a hunch), that any organization, esp secular, has this problem to a greater degree.
Police abuses (all the time)
Schools ( yup, lots of perv teachers)
Other religions (yup)
Community clubs (yup)
Coaches of Olympic Athletes (yup - lots of abuses there).
The problem, I see it, is that it is actually expected in all those other forums
but ought to be not expected from people's claiming to be Spiritually Enlightened.
However, coming full circle, the spiritual enlightenment of Christianity is actually:
"We are fucked in the head, and heart, and need God's help".
So actually, it is not surprising then - because
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
No one in this world has the abuse industry cornered.

What about the Romans? They had an entire school industry with the government and social and legal endorsement
of pedastery. Seriously effed. And that was the Roman Empire.

[Kenny Satch]

Is it possible for you to distinguish between religion and faith?

Religion is supposed to implement faith, but in practice, doesn't.

Consider The Crusades, The Eighty Years War, any number of Inquisitions, Pope Gregory IX, The Jesuits, Galileo, Copericus, Cavalieri, Torricelli, let alone the rampant abuse of children on the part of religion. Is that loving thy enemy? These are not acts of faith, but religion.

I can't speak for others, but imho, a person of faith is not the same as an organization of religion. Should the former confuse themselves with the latter they should think more carefully.

This....

[wyeaster]

Or any other power structure.
I'd bet (just a hunch), that any organization, esp secular, has this problem to a greater degree.
Police abuses (all the time)
Schools ( yup, lots of perv teachers)
Other religions (yup)
Community clubs (yup)
Coaches of Olympic Athletes (yup - lots of abuses there).
The problem, I see it, is that it is actually expected in all those other forums
but ought to be not expected from people's claiming to be Spiritually Enlightened.
However, coming full circle, the spiritual enlightenment of Christianity is actually:
"We are fucked in the head, and heart, and need God's help".
So actually, it is not surprising then - because
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
No one in this world has the abuse industry cornered.

What about the Romans? They had an entire school industry with the government and social and legal endorsement
of pedastery. Seriously effed. And that was the Roman Empire.

yes all other organizations have rampant pedophilia issues we just havent found them yet. keep the faith!

[wyeaster]

institutional coverups are also human nature. especially in powerful nonprofits.

[wyeaster]

The Qur'an permits pedophilia.

apparently so does the bible.

[Kenny Satch]

apparently so does the bible.

Wut....

[Buster Highmen]

Despite the moral failures of many institutions, and ignoring the whataboutistic tact, none is more heinous, more hypocritical, more inhumane or more pervasively long lived than that of religions.

Thus, they deserve all the ire and criticism they are due. Taking it personally, as a person of faith, is a misunderstanding.

[XXX-er]

The bible is a compendium of all the shitty things people do

[pureantigravity]

Despite the moral failures of many institutions, and ignoring the whataboutistic tact, none is more heinous, more hypocritical, more inhumane or more pervasively long lived than that of religions..

Says who?

[pureantigravity]

The bible is a compendium of all the shitty things people do

Ironically, the Book of Psalms was written by King David.
Cocky sheppard boy that slayed Goliath - Bieksa or Tie Domi against the Game of Throne Boss.
But he won. He was famed.
He slept with Bathsheeba.
Then killed her husband by proxy (he delegated it to his military command out of his own cowardice.)

Yet his poems are recited throughout history for inspiration and hope and expression.
Perfect isn't the requirement.
In ski terms, if you "French Fry" when you should have "Pizza'd"
and you came out of your bindings
and it was a complete yard sale.
caught on GoPro and you can't deny it.
Get back up.
That's what David did.
Get back up with the help and forgiveness of others.

[Mofro261]

No. These are actions by individuals who happen to have certain beliefs in common.

As puregravity pointed out-> no group (social, political or religious etc.) is immune to abuse. It’s fucking human nature.

Is one of the tenets of YOUR religion misogyny? Otherwise your GIF avatar makes you a fucking hypocrite.

Keep on trollin', Cretin.

[iceman]

Keep on trollin', Cretin.

it's what he does and who he is.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

This thread is disgusting because it persecutes a entire group of people based solely on religious beliefs. Period.

There is no persecution going on. Just insults. If the preacher man or the imam get to tell us that we're going straight to hell just because we might want to suck a little dick, then they get to hear from us when we think they're up to some sinister no good shit.

When religion:

A) functions as a system of control
B) works to maintain one group's dominance over another
C) is in any way inflicted upon those who want no part of it

it deserves all the insults it gets and more. Criticism, even in the form of vitriolic insults, doesn't qualify as "discrimination," "persecution," or even bigotry. Not even close.

The Buddhist establishment that supported the Japanese Imperial expansion that led to the murder and enslavement of 20-40 million people was evil.

The Catholic Church that has supported and profited from a colonial, genocidal project, and protected, countless child rapists has been and continues to be a sinister organization.

The Muslim leaders who would deny girls education and force them to marry their rapists deserve eternal torment.

On the other hand, if you want to avoid eating pork, turn the other cheek, fast every once in a while, mediate, pray, cut off a piece of your penis, hold hands and sing songs about how the meek are blessed and some dead hippy dude is going to come back to life, or wear any manner of funny hat or other accoutrement, then you should go for it. We've all got our things.

The pursuit of spiritual experiences and sharing communal beliefs are fundamental human practice. Nothing wrong with that. But enslavement, persecution and policing of thoughts are also fundamental human practices. I don't need to respect the latter group just because it is tied up with the former.

[Buster Highmen]

Says who?

https://www.ranker.com/list/most-unf...lea-rose-emery

The Nazi's never claimed to 'love thy enemy', neither did Stalin, nor Mao Tse Tung. Nor did any of them spew more of the sweetly seductive lies that religions have in coopting the faiths they presumably represent.

The Nazi Party first developed in largely Catholic Munich, where many Catholics, lay and clerical, offered enthusiastic support. The Roman Catholic Church remained neutral throughout the war despite weak and watered down objections to Nazi's attempted wresting of Papal power. Any Roman Catholic objection to Nazi activity can be seen through the lens of control.

In the large, over the course of history, the Crusades, the issuance of fire and sword against the Netherlands, corrupt and perverted Popes, the Inquisition in Spain and all the atrocities carried out on New World cultures in the name of 'God' add up as only part of the totality. I can't begin to enumerate even some of the Islamic crimes against humanity. Nor the Hindus.

The thing that's the most heinous to me is the incredibly bald faced hypocrisy inherent to all religions.

Again, if people confuse their faith with a religion, they need to think more carefully.

Getting back to the o.p., yes, correlation isn't sufficient for causality, but more evidence is coming up.

[happytimefunbox]

Fuck religion and a big fuck you to all the bible worriers.

[k2skier112]

Not stupidity necessarily, but definitely easily manipulated and brainwashed by fear mongering.

Found this buried on my desk

[Buster Highmen]

Let's all try this on for size: skiers and snowboarders are stupid.

Now as a skier, I might have a momentary pang of defense. Harrumphs, hot snort, boot dig.

But on a secondary reflection, I'd have to agree with that statement.

Most skiers are stupid.

Most people are stupid.

Then I smile to myself and move along to dreaming of the next massive pow rail I hope to be slicing out somewhere on some high snowline with my pals. Who might be stupid too.

[AK47bp]

Or any other power structure.
I'd bet (just a hunch), that any organization, esp secular, has this problem to a greater degree.
Police abuses (all the time)
Schools ( yup, lots of perv teachers)
Other religions (yup)
Community clubs (yup)
Coaches of Olympic Athletes (yup - lots of abuses there).
The problem, I see it, is that it is actually expected in all those other forums
but ought to be not expected from people's claiming to be Spiritually Enlightened.
However, coming full circle, the spiritual enlightenment of Christianity is actually:
"We are fucked in the head, and heart, and need God's help".
So actually, it is not surprising then - because
WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?
No one in this world has the abuse industry cornered.

What about the Romans? They had an entire school industry with the government and social and legal endorsement
of pedastery. Seriously effed. And that was the Roman Empire.

Fuck you to hell ya dumb retart.

Worse excuse for child rape I’ve heard.

Essentially “everyone else was doing it, so what” is your position

The structure was set up to protect rapists.


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[KQ]

Fuck you to hell ya dumb retart.

Worse excuse for child rape I’ve heard.

Essentially “everyone else was doing it, so what” is your position

The structure was set up to protect rapists.

Huh. Did not come to the same conclusion as you when reading PGs post. Interesting.

Note at the end of his post he concludes that:

What about the Romans? They had an entire school industry with the government and social and legal endorsement of pedastery. Seriously effed. And that was the Roman Empire.

Not to put words in his mouth but I *think* he was saying that pedophilia etc. is effed and no organization is immune to those within their ranks (if not the organization itself) who commit such heinous acts not that he was excusing it. He was actually expanding on what you said.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[dunfree]

Fuck you to hell ya dumb retart.

Worse excuse for child rape I’ve heard.

Essentially “everyone else was doing it, so what” is your position

The structure was set up to protect rapists.


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the structure was they weren't children retart - median age of first marriage for women was 20.2 years in 1959. How many do you think were under 18? Lorreta Lynn, coalminer's daughter, married at 15 in what she acknowledged was one of the most backwards parts of america.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/teen-...ng-of-the-past

[AK47bp]

the structure was they weren't children retart - median age of first marriage for women was 20.2 years in 1959. How many do you think were under 18? Lorreta Lynn, coalminer's daughter, married at 15 in what she acknowledged was one of the most backwards parts of america.
https://www.cpr.org/news/story/teen-...ng-of-the-past

Oh um. I was talking about priests raping little boys.

You must be confused. It’s okay.


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[TBS]

Religion is like a penis
It’s OK have one, and
It’s OK to be proud of it.
It’s NOT OK to go waving it around in other peoples faces, and
It’s NOT OK to force it on children

[AK47bp]

PLEASE STOP DRINKING LISTERINE
WRONG TYPE OF ALCOHOL

Please stop taking it in the rectory.


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[Bunion 2020]

Also true.

Meh....

Atheism is the belief that there is no Supreme Being.

That is a far cry away from, Religion can be bad when wielded as a tool to control stupid people though fear and shame.

FWIW no belief systems should be forced on anyone.

[XXX-er]

last time the momo's came by I told them I am not religious but I do believe that if I am patient gear will go on sale and so that must be what its like believing in god