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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    it's not the same. faith in god and no faith in god is that I know there is no god. that's it. I don't believe. I have no faith in not believing in faith. it's not a matter of faith.
    Your insisting that you know there is no god is exactly the same as the believer insisting he knows there is a god--it's the certainty of the true believer and is responsible for a lot of evil in the world.

    Religion does some good--it fulfills the need for ritual as a way of acknowledging the importance of major life events like birth, marriage, death or just having a day off work. (In Judaism the Sabbath is considered the most important holiday.) Religious rituals and holidays also connect us to our childhood and our parents and grandparents. A lot of people who go to church etc are not believers--my atheist brother was president of his temple. (60% of self identified Jews are atheists.) Unfortunately we don't have adequate secular rituals--baby gender reveal parties and fireworks on the 4th don't cut it.
    Personally I am unable to participate in religious rituals in this way but I understand why many people can.

    Where religion becomes dangerous is when believers try to impose their beliefs on others or attack people with differing beliefs--certainty, whether in religion, science, or politics is a dangerous thing. Religion is evil when it encourages people to accept the evil in their lives with the promise of a better life after death.


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    I used to work with a full on christian ex-pro football player turned software engineer turned end user HW guy, the shit he couldn't just accept was always mystifying so we were like the " Odd Couple " and I wasn't Felix

    I'd be like you don't need to know that or that and i don't what going on there but if you do this it will probably work and get you outa there
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    i don't have faith in it my lack of believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    you are an idiot

    i know that an object falls at 9.8 meters/second squared. the earth is round, etc

    why isn't live, you die enough? is your pitiful existence so lame you need to believe in something? Isn't good food and love and wine enough?


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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Your insisting that you know there is no god is exactly the same as the believer insisting he knows there is a god--it's the certainty of the true believer and is responsible for a lot of evil in the world.

    Religion does some good--it fulfills the need for ritual as a way of acknowledging the importance of major life events like birth, marriage, death or just having a day off work. (In Judaism the Sabbath is considered the most important holiday.) Religious rituals and holidays also connect us to our childhood and our parents and grandparents. A lot of people who go to church etc are not believers--my atheist brother was president of his temple. (60% of self identified Jews are atheists.) ]
    religion in a nutshell for me

    My mom wanted to go to church ( anglican ) for what reason mystifys me but my dad wouldn't go and so he would drop us at church and fall asleep in his chair at home cuz he worked so fucking hard at the plant, SO many times we ended up having to walk home a fair way, so because my mom didn't drive/never did any exercise/wouldn't walk anywhere/wore them high heels ... having to go to church didn't last very long

    I thot the big church sucked, just sitting there all quiet on a hard wooden bench being bored shitless and my buddies were out having a good time being 8 yr old kids

    Sunday school was stupid cuz they tell ya these stories which don't make any sense to the logical mind, the same mind some other smart people are teaching the scientific method to all week at school ... which do make sense

    thats my earliest recollection of religion, nothing even remotley spiritual happened there or since


    edit : my buddy an old white non religoius guy went to temple, so I asked what he thot about Judism he said " its a tribe not a religion, 2 guys in the back are arguing loudly over business, people are talking laughing sleeping sand that guy up front deosnt miss a beat just keeps talkign "
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Your insisting that you know there is no god is exactly the same as the believer insisting he knows there is a god
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    No.
    Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"
    Eggsactly
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    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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    so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

    I personaly look at them all being about the same thing


    the exception would be Dudeism
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

    I personaly look at them all being about the same thing
    I think so, again distinguishing between religion and faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

    I personaly look at them all being about the same thing


    the exception would be Dudeisms
    Religions that emerged from men of peace all end up being weaponized at times, and religions that were devised as get rich quick schemes still somehow manage to bring people peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    so the thread title is asking about Christianity but does the same go for ANY religion ?

    I personaly look at them all being about the same thing
    You'd probably have to be more stupid to believe some religions..







    But the correlation between religiosity and intellect is well studied and settled.
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    How about Dudism? an ancient philosophy that preaches non-preachiness, practices as little as possible, and above all, uh…lost my train of thought there.
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    I知 not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by wyeaster View Post
    nobody knows shit. it's all belief.
    So your position is that you only believe unicorns don稚 exist? Or do you know it?

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    I like this site

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/index_about.htm



    Our definition of religious tolerance:
    This site promotes religious tolerance which we define as: "respecting the freedom of other individuals to follow freely their own religious and spiritual paths, without oppression or active discrimination against them. This is a human right promoted by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights.. Ultimately, it leads to peace in a land of religious diversity, and to religious freedom for all.

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    I知 not saying Christianity correlates with stupidity, but...

    XXX and the Church of the Aquaseal.
    At least it痴 got something factual I can believe in.

    Edit to add: Who痴 making the T-shirt?
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    actualy if yer all into the hwole brevity thing I've always been the dude since highschool

    but its not like i'm gona sue the Cohen bros cuz the dude abides
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    Aquaseal ties the room together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    No.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Seriously. The false equivalency between faith in the supernatural and a position that requires demonstrable proof with a body of evidence is boggling. Using this surreal logic one could basically postulate anything and find equivalence in the challenge "Well, I think the earth rides on the back of a tortoise whose drive is fuel by a galactic hunger for space lettuce. You think it's governed by astrophysics. I have faith in this, you have faith in your position so well - samesies! Stop being so high and mighty - we both have faith after all"
    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Eggsactly
    You guys sound exactly like the zealots. Some religious beliefs can be dismissed as provably wrong--that the world was created in 6 days or that earth is the center of the universe, but the idea that there is some kind of self-aware cosmic intelligence that created the world--which is what a lot of people believe these days (I don't) is not provably wrong (or right). Same with the belief in an afterlife (which I don't believe in) because none of us have died to find out. A belief that there is no god or no afterlife is certainly realistic but not provable. A lot of intellectual arrogance here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
    — Hitchens's Razor
    What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.

    I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Some religious beliefs can be dismissed as provably wrong--that the world was created in 6 days or that earth is the center of the universe
    So the standard is provably wrong.... That's little better than the ducking stool.

    A lot of intellectual arrogance here.
    Who gets to decide what is provable?

    what is believed without evidence no.
    The homeless guy on 2nd and Pine arguing with a lamppost believes it's talking back to him....

    Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.
    No. Not at all on a par with claiming your own sky fairies superiority.. sky fairies are all equally baseless in reality and unproven. and nowhere near on par as attacking disbelief in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    A belief that there is no god or no afterlife is certainly realistic but not provable. A lot of intellectual arrogance here.
    The issue is not that there is a belief of no god, but no belief in a god. Of course it's not provable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the irony.

    What can be asserted without evidence yes--what is believed without evidence no. Hitchens' attacks on religion are of a kind with religions' attacks on other religions and on heresy.

    I'll see your Hitchens' Razor and raise you one Pascal's Wager.
    Pascals wager assumes there is one god. What if there's a bunch or that one chose the wrong, heretical one?

    Once one passes into the domain of belief, logic has no purchase, as evidenced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post



    The homeless guy on 2nd and Pine arguing with a lamppost believes it's talking back to him.
    That lamppost is a fucking asshole.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Pascals wager assumes there is one god. What if there's a bunch or that one chose the wrong, heretical one?
    While there are ~4000 "recognized" religions worldwide to choose from.

    It's not really much of a bet betting on god.
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