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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    I'm not sure that is true. There are probably lots of pedo rings run by atheists.
    The counting of child victims, in the present moment,. probably exceeeds the number of Catholic priests that were ordained in the last 2000 years.

    Old news:
    https://www.sootoday.com/local-news/...rrested-110389

    More recent:
    https://www.cp24.com/news/owners-of-...bust-1.4474497

    I'm not saying that Religious Organizations (Catholics esp. with ban on priests engaging in normal sexual relations) isn't complicit,
    None of those instances are explicitly atheist, so those are bullshit examples, likely populated by religious types.
    I'm saying that it cannot be used as an excuse for hating on 'religion'.

    This topic is depressing me.

    Re: Agnostics believe that the nature of god, including the existence thereof, is unknowable.

    How do they know that?
    You're confusing knowing with believing.
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    @ PNWB: IN matters of faith and existence I only believe that we have no fucking idea what's going on. I do, however, believe that religiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    None of those instances are explicitly atheist, so those are bullshit examples, likely populated by religious types.

    You're confusing knowing with believing.
    I doubt that. With the decline of religious types, the evidence more likely points to them being Sentient Beings with no religious affiliation.

    In any case, your 'religious types' probably includes anyone that ever looked up and wondered about the universe.

    Re: You're confusing knowing with believing.

    No I'm not. Swap words and then come at it again.

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    Killing of children. Bury me at Wounded Knee. I don't know if they were Christian but it would be a good guess. . Pretty sure they weren't Jews. Atheists? Catholics? Maybe. Army was a job of last resort back then. My point is that the killing of children is a common human ability. Human Nature and it's ability to be inhumane is a bitch but it's better to acknowledge it. I am always surprised that people are surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Let's all try this on for size: snowboarders are stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    @ PNWB: IN matters of faith and existence I only believe that we have no fucking idea what's going on. I do, however, believe that religiously.
    Makes my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    I doubt that. With the decline of religious types, the evidence more likely points to them being Sentient Beings with no religious affiliation.
    Now you're just making shit up to fit your narrative. Poor form.

    In any case, your 'religious types' probably includes anyone that ever looked up and wondered about the universe.
    No, I'm talking about clowns like you.

    Re: You're confusing knowing with believing.

    No I'm not. Swap words and then come at it again.
    May I suggest some more epistemological exercises before you confuse believing with knowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Go on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    How did you choose your flavor of religious belief ice? What was the process of elimination of all the other flavors?

    It always seems silly to equate the belief in the unproven and unprovable with a lack of believe in the unproven and unprovable.

    Especially since in the overwhelming majority of the religious it's based on some level of childhood indoctrination and cultural, societal acceptance.
    I think we need to parse this into two categories:

    (A) People that claim to have a belief and learned something to hang their hat on. I call them BELIEVERS of whatever (not religious exclusively but have some substance to their belief). So then, self-identified ATHIESTS and/or AGNOSTICS are in fact believers. That also doesn't place all belief on the same level - because belief can also be evaluated for rationality and evidence too.

    (B) People that claim to have no belief but claim to be in the process of learning. These, politically, would be identified as 'undecided'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Now you're just making shit up to fit your narrative. Poor form.

    No, I'm talking about clowns like you.

    May I suggest some more epistemological exercises before you confuse believing with knowing.
    I love exercises.
    What works for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    I think we need to parse this into two categories:

    (A) People that claim to have a belief and learned something to hang their hat on. I call them BELIEVERS of whatever (not religious exclusively but have some substance to their belief). So then, self-identified ATHIESTS and/or AGNOSTICS are in fact believers. That also doesn't place all belief on the same level - because belief can also be evaluated for rationality and evidence too.

    (B) People that claim to have no belief but claim to be in the process of learning. These, politically, would be identified as 'undecided'.


    No, atheists are non believers. Big difference. Think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    No, atheists are non believers. Big difference. Think.
    Exactly.

    And (usually) they've put more thought into their not believing.
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    I'm willing to go with Dr. Johnson and agree that if i kick a rock it will hurt.

    In this model we seem to inhabit.

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    Touche.
    I got to go now.
    Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Exactly.

    And (usually) they've put more thought into their not believing.
    Agnostics have. I don't know about atheists.

    ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Exactly.

    And (usually) they've put more thought into their not believing.
    You can't think your way through faith. That's why it's called faith. Believing that there is no god is no more rational or subject to inquiry or proof or demonstration than believing that there is. But please think all you want, if you enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    You can't think your way through faith. That's why it's called faith. Believing that there is no god is no more rational or subject to inquiry or proof or demonstration than believing that there is. So please think all you want, if you enjoy it.
    What would convince you that there is more than the physical world?

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    At this stage of life, I realize I'm not any good at thinking. But I still try.
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    exactly ^^ thats why i can't believe in god

    but i can believe shit will go on sale

    so always hold out for 40% off MRSP
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    You can't think your way through faith.
    Try telling that to someone who is religious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    What would convince you that there is more than the physical world?
    Proof?

    What are you imagining you know convinces you?
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    I've been waiting for one of the Keebler elves to hop out of one of those boxes.

    Until that happens, I'm a non believer. And an agnostic.
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    We池e all just bumbling through, trying to make some sense of this infinite indivisible reality, yet limited to a peephole of subjectivity and the instincts of an ape. I don稚 go for any of that religious dogma, as I prefer more a little more subtlety and paradox in the lies I tell myself.

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    I believe in the power of the 12th man.
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