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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Brilliant. Thanks.
    What is god?


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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere.
    and I asked ... "Please elaborate."

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    If you have to ask then you don't get it, and probably never will.
    It doesn't sound like you are saying "church and state". It sounds like you are saying "faith and state".

    So that's why I ask. Because I don't know what you mean and I think a lot of believers, atheists, and agnostics would also want to know what you mean so they can apply that to their belief systems (or non-belief if you look at it that way).

    It is one thing to want administrative and legal seperation. A whole 'nuther matter if you want peacnicks to shut up and go to war or endorse war bills.

    Please clarify, if you don't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    and I asked ... "Please elaborate."



    It doesn't sound like you are saying "church and state". It sounds like you are saying "faith and state".

    So that's why I ask. Because I don't know what you mean and I think a lot of believers, atheists, and agnostics would also want to know what you mean so they can apply that to their belief systems (or non-belief if you look at it that way).

    It is one thing to want administrative and legal seperation. A whole 'nuther matter if you want peacnicks to shut up and go to war or endorse war bills.

    Please clarify, if you don't mind.
    I assumed he meant gay wedding cakes, Hobby Lobby health insurance, the pro "life" movement....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    What is god?


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    I'm asking you to tell me what YOU think. Would my response have any weight on your answer? It might and I don't want to skew your thoughts. I'm not debating anything here as my core belief in a "god" is that it is MY core belief and what others believe is interesting and I'm interested in hearing thoughts. I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".
    thnx Capt. Chuck Shunstrom

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    I'm curious. How do athiests define the god that they don't believe in.
    To me God or a god is an entity that can influence the universe in a way that can't be explained by science, i.e. a supernatural force. That would, of course, include areas of science humanity doesn't currently understand.

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    God as a human construct designed to imbue future generations with a respect for the lessons of the past. With the assumption being ppl are too arrogant & stubborn to respect those lessons without relearning them the hard way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    I'm asking you to tell me what YOU think. Would my response have any weight on your answer? It might and I don't want to skew your thoughts. I'm not debating anything here as my core belief in a "god" is that it is MY core belief and what others believe is interesting and I'm interested in hearing thoughts. I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".
    You can just say 的 don稚 know.

    Enough of the rim jobbing.

    I知 asking you a separate, independent question from the current shit show.

    What is god?

    Can稚 a man of faith like yourself answer such a simple question.


    I don稚 have an answer and I don稚 know, which is why I am asking.



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    Nowadays there's an obsessive focus with disproving the supernatural when the intent and value of religion was always in terms of guiding behavior towards productive ends (family unit to help foster development & social cohesion as an example). It's highly imperfect as a strategy but that's what the more woke religious types reference in terms of defening their choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    God as a human construct designed to imbue future generations with a respect for the lessons of the past. With the assumption being ppl are too arrogant & stubborn to respect those lessons without relearning them the hard way.
    https://www.npr.org/2019/05/06/72065...ural-evolution

    "But in the last 12,000 years or so, human groups began to expand. It became more difficult to identify and punish the cheaters and free riders. So we needed something big — really big. An epic force that could see what everyone was doing, and enforce the rules. That force, according to social psychologist Azim Shariff, was the popular idea of a "supernatural punisher" – also known as God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    Nowadays there's an obsessive focus with disproving the supernatural when the intent and value of religion was always in terms of guiding behavior towards productive ends (family unit to help foster development & social cohesion as an example). It's highly imperfect as a strategy but that's what the more woke religious types reference in terms of defening their choices.
    The problem with this is at the end of the day most religions are couching this guiding behavior as something some supernatural being or beings is telling us we should do or else we'll be smote down, not get into heaven, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    The problem with this is at the end of the day most religions are couching this guiding behavior as something some supernatural being or beings is telling us we should do or else we'll be smote down, not get into heaven, etc.
    Yeah, the cacophony of it all is hard to tolerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    I love that line by the priest in Rudy! . "I really only know that there IS a god and that I'm not him".
    Cute line, but replace 'god' with unicorns, pixies, leprechauns, or any other folklore and it's just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    Cute line, but replace 'god' with unicorns, pixies, leprechauns, or any other folklore and it's just ridiculous.
    There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?

    People have sacrificed their lives for their belief in Leprechauns?

    The Romans hung crucified (and still alive) Leprechauns on fire, on street lampposts, all throughout towns to warn others about the dangers of being Leprechauns?

    Or maybe it was unicorns you were referring to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?
    There are archeological ruins that attest to the existence of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    There are archaeological remains that attest to the accuracy of Leprechaun stories?

    People have sacrificed their lives for their belief in Leprechauns?

    The Romans hung crucified (and still alive) Leprechauns on fire, on street lampposts, all throughout towns to warn others about the dangers of being Leprechauns?

    Or maybe it was unicorns you were referring to.

    Um brah...,

    You池e confusing Jesus with god.

    Try to keep up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    I assumed he meant gay wedding cakes, Hobby Lobby health insurance, the pro "life" movement....
    That covers a good swath of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    That covers a good swath of it.
    How about fair treatment of prisoners?

    How about fair treatment of immigrants?

    Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    What is god?
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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    How about fair treatment of prisoners?

    How about fair treatment of immigrants?

    Carry on.
    You saying that the only thing that keeps humans from being pieces of shit is faith?




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    faith that someday someone won’t treat them like shit, karma.
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    Well if people need Karma or religion to NOT be pieces of shit, stands to reason they are pieces of shit deep down. If the only thing keeping them civil is an external factor containing their inner self.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    You saying that the only thing that keeps humans from being pieces of shit is faith?




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    Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.
    And if you are faithful, you believe that behaviors that reward the common good, and others, tho not own, also will be rewarded or at least advance a cause greater than self.
    So ... in a way yes. I think that is arguable. But that's not a point I was making and I don't need to prove it.

    I was asking ...

    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    That covers a good swath of it.
    How about fair treatment of prisoners?

    How about fair treatment of immigrants?

    Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.
    And if you are faithful, you believe that behaviors that reward the common good, and others, tho not own, also will be rewarded or at least advance a cause greater than self.
    So ... in a way yes. I think that is arguable. But that's not a point I was making and I don't need to prove it.

    I was asking ...



    How about fair treatment of prisoners?

    How about fair treatment of immigrants?

    Carry on.
    That痴 a sad life you live. Can you see how scary it would be to have people with your beliefs in charge of government/public policy?

    Ruling the heathens that know no better so you値l do what痴 best.

    Detach yourself from yourself to a place of objectivity and think about that for a minute.

    I would bet I致e helped more people in this world than you have and I have zero faith.

    And 吐aithless people live in the moment. Did you make that up or read it on a Chick Filet cup?


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    Religion-less does not equate to faithless. I have faith in a lot of things. Just not omnipotent beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Well, if you are faithless, you live in the moment, because tomorrow isn't.
    Jamie Pierre sure pokes (poked?) a hole in that logic.
    Doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.

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