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    i guess you are an aunicornist

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    Maybe a hyphen would help that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    What wyeaster said was that nobody knows shit. I’m sure I know that unicorns don’t exist.
    What about aliens

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    All this believe and not believe in stories that began several millennia ago. What defined a 組od then, and what defines one now? Our current tech allows us to do much what was attributed to god(s) a couple thousand years ago. We can describe abstract concepts of the universe using math and have proven some of it using the scientific method. And we are still learning, at ever increasing rates. So what exactly is god, today, if I were to meet it/them on the street? Would I even be able to recognize it/them for what it/they are? Is it a state of consciousness, an ability to manifest that consciousness in more than one point in space and time? Or...?
    And does it even matter.

    Never mind, my daughter is having bad dreams. Need to go and reassure her. What fable should I use this time I wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    What about aliens
    I was just about to go into the whole how do you define aliens bullshit argument and the BCMtndog does it for me.

    Most theists are quick to alter their definition of 堵od when questions become difficult to answer.

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    God moves the goalposts for you if you have enough faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    It's not worth the time to argue with believers man. You see it, I see it, Buster sees it. Beyond that it's good luck with that stuff fellas I guess.

    It's a bigger question than is required for daily existence, so I get it. But I don't.
    The bigger issue is how to get them out of politics and away from our laws. I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere. It's funny how many ignorant people get all riled up about the possibility of "Sharia Law" in this country and don't see how the outsized influence of Evangelical christians is leading us to a similar end result, if unchecked. Aka The christian Taliban. Billy Graham, mentioned earlier in this thread, was very much part of the problem in that regard. Churches that influence politics should lose tax exempt status and their clergy should have to register as lobbyists. It is more than fair given how the right has worked to bust up labor unions based partially on the premise of their political influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere.
    Please elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Please elaborate.
    If you have to ask then you don't get it, and probably never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puregravity View Post
    Please elaborate.
    How about when people get their religious beliefs mixed up into public policy/law?
    的 have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.

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    You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    I was just about to go into the whole how do you define aliens bullshit argument and the BCMtndog does it for me.

    Most theists are quick to alter their definition of “god” when questions become difficult to answer.
    I'm deep in the agnostic terrain close to being an atheist. So "does it even matter" is where I stop and disengage as I don't think it does. Positivism is much more healthy & productive than theism in my view. And it pushes people to both focus on and rely on a semblance of the scientific method rather than imagination. Where it gets tough is interacting with all the people that embrace theistic delusions. That's a much harder question than whether or not theistic outlooks are built on sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    What wyeaster said was that nobody knows shit. I’m sure I know that unicorns don’t exist.
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    i guess you are an aunicornist
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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.
    If only it were that pleasant. Its more like you got your toxic waste in my perfectly happy existence.
    Real VTers tap trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    But the correlation between religiosity and intellect is well studied and settled.
    I have my doubts about the intelligence of anyone who takes a 2,000 year old book literally.

    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    The bigger issue is how to get them out of politics and away from our laws. I don't have a problem with personal faith until it interferes in the public sphere. It's funny how many ignorant people get all riled up about the possibility of "Sharia Law" in this country and don't see how the outsized influence of Evangelical christians is leading us to a similar end result, if unchecked. Aka The christian Taliban. Billy Graham, mentioned earlier in this thread, was very much part of the problem in that regard. Churches that influence politics should lose tax exempt status and their clergy should have to register as lobbyists. It is more than fair given how the right has worked to bust up labor unions based partially on the premise of their political influence.
    Maybe because a lot of those who get riled up about Sharia Law are Evangelical Christians?


    I'm all about freedom of religion. I'm even more about freedom from religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    I'm even more about freedom from religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    Seems like agnosticism, not atheism.
    not quite
    Quote Originally Posted by wyeaster View Post
    i believe gods do not exist.
    This is atheism

    "I don't know whether god(s) exist(s) "
    this is agnosticism


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    https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/...re-inaccurate/

    ^ summarizes research about myths concerning agnostics & atheists, presented at Vatican.

    Speaking of the Vatican—behind the scenes, off the record interviews indicate the priestly cognoscenti evolve toward a quasi-agnostic view as they get older. NTTAWWT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zede View Post

    This is atheism
    Not quite.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    I'm curious. How do athiests define the god that they don't believe in. I mean, some believers think that the clouds are literally between them and god while others believe in a universal "spirit" as the source of our chaotic order.
    thnx Capt. Chuck Shunstrom

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    I'm curious. How do athiests define the god that they don't believe in. I mean, some believers think that the clouds are literally between them and god while others believe in a universal "spirit" as the source of our chaotic order.
    That sounds a lot like physics. If laws or behavioral properties of the physical world need to be classified in that context I suppose my gods are math, physics & animal spirits. But there's no universal requirement to classify them like that and it's certainly not a natural way to describe them. Moreso putting them in context for one bent on theistic framing.

    Mandelbrot wrote some interesting stuff about the nature of organization within chaos.

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    How the religious define and dismiss the gods that they don't believe in is probably a more useful question to ask.
    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
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    Thought I already described the believers god spectrum. Use whatever comes to your mind. Just curious as I'm sure there are as many definitions of what god isn't.

    I don't debate this stuff. People can't even define concentration camp and agree these days.
    thnx Capt. Chuck Shunstrom

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    There's no need to define what god isn't, but I suppose if that needs explaining at this point, it's too late.
    Doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you.

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    Brilliant. Thanks.
    thnx Capt. Chuck Shunstrom

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