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    Is furiously masticating considered exercise?

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    Moderate exercise offers all the health benefit of HIT without the associated risks of injury.

    Athletic performance is a separate discussion and imo HI resistance training is superior to high intensity aerobic. Ideally, for performance, a blend of hi-lo resistance and aerobic is likely ideal. The research is mixed but most athletes value a long slow warm down after HIT. Supposedly it assists recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Moderate exercise offers all the health benefit of HIT without the associated risks of injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I'm curious about this (I have heard it but only in vague terms). I also have heard/read that HIIT is the way to improve performance. Are the two theories reconcilable or are they looking at different things?
    This is a simple question with a long and complex answer that is highly dependent of what sport/activity you're training for, your current fitness level, and your own personal physiological strengths and weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRUTAH View Post
    Not to thread drift, but this advice basically contradicts most current exercise physiology theories including Steve House and Scott Johnson. Both claim that most beneficial Heart Rate Intensity level is 2 and 3 which is 40-60% of your max heart rate, a pace that you can easily talk. Translates to walking and light running for most people.
    I've read the House/ Johnson book and the new one with Journet too, as well as a number of others on the topic. My advice doesn't contradict theirs. Yes, if you are training for endurance, most of your time needs to be spent on long slow distances. But strength training matters a great deal, and the House/ Johnson book in particular doesn't neglect it. In fact, of all the books I've read on endurance training, it has by far the best section on why strength training matter and how to do it. The protocols in that book for hill sprints (as a replacement for weight training) and weighted pull ups are particularly excellent, as is the advice on hauling rocks or water up hill then running down. Another thing I got from House/Johnson was replacing squats (which can aggravate my arthritic back) with weighted box steps. Awesome book.

    The other thing about long slow distances is that the benefits are pretty darn specific. Biking doesn't help all that much with running which doesn't help that much with swimming, etc. But many people running/biking/swimming are also trying to do it fast some of the time. That matters. Many also learn that an hour or two of strength training a week will improve performance and reduce the risk of injury. If you carry a golf bag around for 10+ hours a week, you will get better at hauling a golf bag but not much else.

    Look, if my dad, who is 72, would golf 3 times a week, and get in a couple sessions of some sort of resistance training, I'd be psyched. What he does is walk slowly 2-4 miles a day on flat roads. His doctor tells him how great it is. He is aging fast.

    My mom is the same age. She also walks a lot, but with more hikes in the mountains. She also does pilates and yoga with lots of strength poses (or whatever they call it). My mom can still (and does) ski all day about 50-80 days a year. We still go on moderate ski tours together. She's not hard core. Never has been. But she takes care of herself.

    The difference between them is stark. When I was young my father was by far the more physically capable and athletic. Now it is completely reversed. Before my parents were divorced they were what I call "ex-hippie recreational farmers" who raised sheep in addition to working day jobs. That farm work kept my dad strong and lean. Once that stopped it's been down hill ever since.

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    I used to teach with a guy who had been a pretty good D1 college golfer. Arizona State I think. When he had a kid he went from 2 rounds a week to 1 a month. "Are you really that busy?" I asked him. "I had to chose between golf and staying fit." he told me. He rode a bike and lifted. When the kid got older the golf time went back up.

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    Damn. This thread is sucking.


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    If we continue with this is should be it’s own thread, but to answer Danno...

    To explain where this is coming from, I have multiple family members who are professional coaches (one happens to coach olympians and world champions), another who is a pro nutritionist, and I have run a bike team, played a sport semi pro, etc. I live in this world everyday.

    With that background, my current opinion is that as a normal guy trying to be generally fit, what you want is a combination of short, high intensity exercise that pushes your max heart rate; easy exercise for an hour or two; and full body strength work. As an example, if each week you did one day each of those three things, and did them correctly, you would be pretty damn fit. You could do that in three hours per week.

    Edit: I should specify - this would be for general life fitness and work well for almost everyone. However, if you are trying to train for a specific activity and do that at a very high level, you would want a different program. Someone mentioned House and Johnson, who are very focused on quite long endurance activity - that would have a tweaked program, but you'd still want some high intensity and some strength. On the other extreme, if you were training to be a sprinter, you'd push toward the other extreme, but you'd still want some slow and easy for recovery. However, the basic trio still holds as building blocks.

    Happy to get into it further if folks are interested.
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    Right? Although it's no surprise that a thread about badass women accomplishing something big on a world stage has turned into men debating whether walking around a golf course or jerking off is better exercise.
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    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beece View Post
    If we continue with this is should be it’s own thread, but to answer Danno...

    To explain where this is coming from, I have multiple family members who are professional coaches (one happens to coach olympians and world champions), another who is a pro nutritionist, and I have run a bike team, played a sport semi pro, etc. I live in this world everyday.

    With that background, my current opinion is that as a normal guy trying to be generally fit, what you want is a combination of short, high intensity exercise that pushes your max heart rate; easy exercise for an hour or two; and full body strength work. As an example, if each week you did one day each of those three things, and did them correctly, you would be pretty damn fit. You could do that in three hours per week.

    Edit: I should specify - this would be for general life fitness and work well for almost everyone. However, if you are trying to train for a specific activity and do that at a very high level, you would want a different program. Someone mentioned House and Johnson, who are very focused on quite long endurance activity - that would have a tweaked program, but you'd still want some high intensity and some strength. On the other extreme, if you were training to be a sprinter, you'd push toward the other extreme, but you'd still want some slow and easy for recovery. However, the basic trio still holds as building blocks.

    Happy to get into it further if folks are interested.
    Great, thanks, that makes sense and I aspire to do that. But instead it ends up being 1 day of mt biking, 2 if I'm lucky, and maybe one up/down trail "run" (run in quotes because I am not fit enough to run up the damn hill).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    and maybe one up/down trail "run" (run in quotes because I am not fit enough to run up the damn hill).
    Running uphill for extended periods is grossly inefficient. Even elite ultra runners usually don't run uphill (but they can walk uphill faster than most people can run).

    Back on topic, someone broke into Allie Long's hotel room and stole her wedding ring, cash, and her key to NYC: https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wom...om-burglarized

    Fucking savages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    Great, thanks, that makes sense and I aspire to do that. But instead it ends up being 1 day of mt biking, 2 if I'm lucky, and maybe one up/down trail "run" (run in quotes because I am not fit enough to run up the damn hill).
    Try to add some strength work to that schedule - only once in a while - and you'll be well on your way. Could be a gym, could be just some work with some resistance bands, could be body weight - just for 20 minutes is enough to make a difference. 2-3 times per month will be worth it.

    In Boulder there's a place called Revo which knows their shit for sure. They have a pretty incredible youtube channel showing tons of exercises/therapies. Start with this one for lower body (it's focused on runners but good for cyclists too.) Then add a few crunches, some push ups, some pull ups, or just some upper body bandwork like lumberjacks, and you are in and out in 20 minutes. If you can get up to 30 hard minutes 1 time per week - even at home - it will change your body for sure. But even 3 times per month for 20 minutes will help a lot.

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    Also, first someone stole Daniel Sturridge's dog, now they took Allie Long's wedding ring and NYC key. WTF? I'd say Neymar's earrings are next...

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    Prob I had with “golf as fitness” - way too many drinking opportunities.
    My golf bag has a cooler
    There is a drink shack at the 4th and 14th hole
    And a clubhouse you pass twice
    And a cute girl in a cart driving around with more drinks.

    I just didn’t have the stamina. Good thing I used to bike to the course

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    The ladies are celebrities now. They need to take safety precautions until the fever fades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Right? Although it's no surprise that a thread about badass women accomplishing something big on a world stage has turned into men debating whether walking around a golf course or jerking off is better exercise.
    Is jerking off to Alex Morgan more or less exercise than one of booners beautys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Right? Although it's no surprise that a thread about badass women accomplishing something big on a world stage has turned into men debating whether walking around a golf course or jerking off is better exercise.
    I think it's to be expected in a 16 page TGR Padded Room thread. Every thread that long has significant drift. No disrespect was meant to the baddass women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
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    Cross country ski golfing, competitors will ski the first 9 holes with 70 lbs of golf bag on back while whacking little orange balls into holes. The last 9 holes they can dump the golf bag but spectators will be throwing lawn darts from the sides of the course while they are in play.
    Alpine Meadows has snow golf in the spring but unfortunately it's all downhill and you only get one club.

    Walking uphill--on a mountain if one is handy, on a treadmill if it isn't--is excellent cardiovascular exercise. I had to quit running about 5-6 years ago because of my back. I kept riding a bike but it wasn't as good for my heart and lungs, probably because I didn't push it hard enough. Then my doc wanted me to get a stress test. I thought no way will walking on a treadmill get my heart rate up to 80% of max. A couple of degrees of incline and rapid walking and my HR got up there in about 5 minutes. Felt great. I've realized that long, all day hikes are great for endurance but a few miles steep and fast is a lot better for my wind. Also, if there are any fellow back sufferers around, walking uphill is a lot easier on the back then level and especially downhill. I can walk faster up than down these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Alpine Meadows has snow golf in the spring but unfortunately it's all downhill and you only get one club.

    Walking uphill--on a mountain if one is handy, on a treadmill if it isn't--is excellent cardiovascular exercise.
    Wait, so there's treadmill golf? Do the drives fly farther or shorter on a treadmill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Wait, so there's treadmill golf? Do the drives fly farther or shorter on a treadmill?
    The drives aren't the problem, the putts don't move at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Wait, so there's treadmill golf? Do the drives fly farther or shorter on a treadmill?
    Don’t be silly. They can’t fly at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    In her prime she was better than Lavelle. Now Heath, that chick's got some mad skilz..
    disagree. lavelle's game is very unique in that she has creativity and views the game differently and actually plays defense. the men's team desperately needs this type of player. she can score but her role is that of a playmaker. one of the reasons usa wasn't overly concerned about rapinoe being unavailable for the semi vs. england is press will actually track back against england's bronze who continually pushed forward. bronze would have made a much bigger impact if rapinoe played. that being said, rapinoe was absolutely clutch as making penalties isn't as easy as some seem to think. its far more mental than anything. regarding heath, she is very skillful but at times, dribbles without a purpose as shown in the final.

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    Even backcountry skiing is mostly just walking. If an 18 hole round of golf carrying a bag isn't exercise, not sure how one could characterize backcountry skiing as exercise.
    would agree walking 18 isn't nothing, but never climbed 3-4k' golfing, and most certainly never saw a backcountry skier drunk halfway through a tour. not an accurate comparison imo

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    Yeah, I know it's not entirely fair. Though I'd wager a large percentage of the drunk people on golf courses are in a cart or at least have a hand cart.

    And if there were bars every 1000 vertical feet while out skiing, there'd be more drunk backcountry skiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    And if there were bars every 1000 vertical feet while out skiing, there'd be more drunk backcountry skiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    The drives aren't the problem, the putts don't move at all.
    if the putt will not move, a stroke shall not be counted if upon further examination, the ball has been impeded by a post hole. gofer may lift carefully and replace ball no closer to the base on a pocket of duff then proceed with their round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    Yeah, there'd be more drunk backcountry skiers.
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