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    What was he running from?

    Or towards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SB View Post
    What was he running from?

    Or towards?
    running from himself ...

    or towards this ,,,,

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    Buddy was probably still a really fast runner and great athlete but he couldn't just settle for exceptional he had to be the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Sad that he had to cheat inorder to satisfy his sense of self worth? Sad that he couldn't live with the shame of finally being caught cheating? Or, sad that he was obviously mentally ill due to the behavior that caused all this?
    Yes? Also sad for his wife, sad for his kids, sad for his grandkids, and sad for his friends. The guy cheated at marathons, which while unethical and ill-conceived, is hardly a capital offense. Despite these transgressions it seems like he was still an overall decent person who had a lot of people who loved him. If he really killed himself over this, yeah, I find that pretty fucking sad.

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    He actually wasn't fast at all. If you read the running forums and marathon investigates, they show that he was pretty slow. He had a pretty effective bike relay system apparently. If had been less effective would this have come out earlier and the story/shame been less.

    The Canadian triathlete, on the other hand, was already an elite athlete.

    It's crazy that you're more likely to get caught cheating in racing than in banking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBdude View Post
    most people that are sanguine about lance feel that during his time they all cheated
    probably why wall street execs don’t off themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Yes? Also sad for his wife, sad for his kids, sad for his grandkids, and sad for his friends. The guy cheated at marathons, which while unethical and ill-conceived, is hardly a capital offense. Despite these transgressions it seems like he was still an overall decent person who had a lot of people who loved him. If he really killed himself over this, yeah, I find that pretty fucking sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbssux View Post
    He actually wasn't fast at all. If you read the running forums and marathon investigates, they show that he was pretty slow. He had a pretty effective bike relay system apparently. If had been less effective would this have come out earlier and the story/shame been less.

    The Canadian triathlete, on the other hand, was already an elite athlete.

    It's crazy that you're more likely to get caught cheating in racing than in banking.
    Was she though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by waxman View Post
    Was she though?
    she said she was so that should be good by canuck standards
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    Quote Originally Posted by waxman View Post
    Was she though?
    Yes, she was shaving portions of the course to get first place (you can't fake the swim section, for instance). Meza was complete fabrication. It sucks for him that he didn't get caught earlier. Wouldn't have been this level of shame and maybe a different outcome.

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    Frank Meza...marathon runner.

    Quote Originally Posted by tbssux View Post
    It's crazy that you're more likely to get caught cheating in racing than in banking.
    No it’s not

    What exactly is cheating at banking?

    You mean inflating your assets for loans like our dear president?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Yes? Also sad for his wife, sad for his kids, sad for his grandkids, and sad for his friends. The guy cheated at marathons, which while unethical and ill-conceived, is hardly a capital offense. Despite these transgressions it seems like he was still an overall decent person who had a lot of people who loved him. If he really killed himself over this, yeah, I find that pretty fucking sad.
    It;s tough to come up with a scenario of suicide that isn't sad sans violent felons or child molesters. Sounds like a classic case of imposter syndrome. Dude felt the need to pad his resume on the athletic accolades front. What it came out that he wasn't even a real doctor and faked his college transcripts and other credentials? It would still be sad.
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    I was wondering if this thread would pop back up. Letsrun is going bonkers.

    I do wonder: can a 70yr old Dr. be “cyber bullied?” I get how kids (and even young adults) are...and it shouldn’t happen, but 70yr old Dr.s?

    I was actually thinking the same as SumJung....what if it was discovered that his bona fides were fabricated, his degrees were forged and he was a real life Don Draper?


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post

    I was actually thinking the same as SumJung....what if it was discovered that his bona fides were fabricated, his degrees were forged and he was a real life Don Draper?


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    I'm sure someone is looking into it.

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    Take 1: I think it’s disgusting how these cyber-goons can get away with destroying a mans character with cheap aspersions and persecute him all because he has a weak bladder and often needs to leave the course during a race to relieve himself. Nevertheless, he is endowed with such talents that he able to set record times even while having to make these necessary diversions. Should he have just peed on the course, and caused fellow competitors to slip on the puddles of urine?

    One can only suppose jealousy drove the cyber bullies to take it to the next step and murder the guy IRL! Murder, and coverup to make it appear suicide.

    Take 2: assuming he did ride bikes over most of the course, how is that different from Casey Martin or John Daly riding a cart during a USGA event? Perhaps he has a disability that causes him to be slower than the other competitors, and a bike is required to even the playing field?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    Take 2: assuming he did ride bikes over most of the course, how is that different from Casey Martin or John Daly riding a cart during a USGA event? Perhaps he has a disability that causes him to be slower than the other competitors, and a bike is required to even the playing field?
    The goal of a marathon is to run the entire course on foot. Of course, walking is now allowable, which is why these events can last up to eight (8) hours or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    Take 2: assuming he did ride bikes over most of the course, how is that different from Casey Martin or John Daly riding a cart during a USGA event? Perhaps he has a disability that causes him to be slower than the other competitors, and a bike is required to even the playing field?
    Quote Originally Posted by Viva View Post
    The goal of a marathon is to run the entire course on foot. Of course, walking is now allowable, which is why these events can last up to eight (8) hours or so.
    there is a competition class for wheelchair people and perhaps other classes as well. And there are biking competitions if he can't run. John Daly and Casey Martin still play golf. They still hit the little ball in the hole with golf clubs. One doesn't get to compete in a golf tournament with a basketball and hoop on the pretenses that a disability prevents one from playing golf.
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    Sorry for the inept attempt at humor.

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    Really, just completing a marathon at age 70 is pretty amazing. And, clearly, the guy could still maintain a jogging pace, and presumably did some distance training, so he could have gotten a perfectly respectable time for his age. Also, a little secret from someone who has done a sub-3 marathon: It's a personal thing, and very, very few people care. Your running club buddies care, and that's about it for the circle of friends who even know what sub-3 means (but this guy wouldn't have had running club buddies, and if he did, they would have known that he wasn't nearly up to that pace).

    So the whole thing's kind of bizarre. Marathon cheating is sick and pointless, plus, for someone who's trying to brush up against an age group world record, it's not going to succeed. He wasn't going to get celebrated for running a marathon at an under 7-minute pace when any given video clip, when he happens to be on the course, is going to show him cruising along with, at best, a 10-minute pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobz View Post

    So the whole thing's kind of bizarre. Marathon cheating is sick and pointless, plus, for someone who's trying to brush up against an age group world record, it's not going to succeed. He wasn't going to get celebrated for running a marathon at an under 7-minute pace when any given video clip, when he happens to be on the course, is going to show him cruising along with, at best, a 10-minute pace.

    But the thing is that he did didn't he? Didn't he already have several other results that were posted and on record close to that pace before he got caught cheating... and then the governing body went back to take a closer look at the available footage to conclude that he had been cheating during those events as well??
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    Sorry for the inept attempt at humor.
    I thought it was funny. Would have been even funnier if you actually meant it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    But the thing is that he did didn't he? Didn't he already have several other results that were posted and on record close to that pace before he got caught cheating... and then the governing body went back to take a closer look at the available footage to conclude that he had been cheating during those events as well??
    Maybe so, he probably collected a few age-group trophies before anyone bothered to notice. But once his string of extraordinary times (it would be genuinely impressive for a 70-year-old to maintain the pace for a sub-3 marathon for much more than a 400 meter lap on a track) actually got some measure of attention, there was no way it was going to hold up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    Sorry for the inept attempt at humor.
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    Death ruled a suicide. Appears he ran off a bridge. Maybe he was just running to fast to make the turn. Family says it was because he couldn't tolerate being called a cheat, not the he couldn't handle being caught as a cheat. Lots of excuses, but all he had to do was run a sub 3 time with an observer and all this would be behind him. I wonder why he didn't just do that

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
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    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...wim+bike+cheat

    5 page padded room thread about the Whistler "triathlete" and the 2 NYT articles about her cheating.

    Ironically she still works as a mental health counselor at a private university (ie rich kids school) in BC
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