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05-30-2019, 03:57 PM #101
The final episode, they tell me on the podcast, will explain the cause of the explosion as well as a short miniseries dealing with such a complex incident in history can. But, then again, who really knows the truth, as the contol room manager waiting for a lead bullet (as opposed to the trillion tiny bullets millions more were taking) said. Smoking like a train.
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05-30-2019, 04:43 PM #102
Well, Berkeley's Livermore lab has a pretty sizable reactor and is one of the primary research labs in the country for all things nuclear, founded back in the early 50's. Left / tree-hugger doesn't necessarily mean anti-science. Ironically, one of their primary goals in the beginning was weapon-specific, hoping to compete with Los Alamos.
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05-30-2019, 05:14 PM #103Registered User
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The Univ of Texas has a reactor (and there are some rumors there may be more than one), but it is in a secure location about 10 miles from the main campus.
The thing about the reactor at UW, anyone could just walk up to the building from outside and look directly down into the reactor pool through large windows on the outside of the building. It was an attempt to show how safe nuclear energy was.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Hall_Annex
This was before terrorism was much of a threat in the US, and before Three Mile Island, and Chernobyl, etc.
They actually had a Plutonium spill that caused a stir. Fairly minor, but still...
It was built in 1961, and shut down in 1988. I actually got to see it while it was still operating.
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05-30-2019, 07:08 PM #104
I just stopped by to say we need a new phone.
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05-31-2019, 08:30 AM #105
Just finished second episode. Great acting, creating amalgamation of real life character/events. Close enough for most of it. Terrible description of how fission works and beyond gross exaggeration of what would have happened if the corium hit a full bubbler pool. It would have been a catastrophe much worse than what happened. But orders of magnitude less bad than they described: no 30MT explosion, no destroying everything around, no making 300K sqmi permanently uninhabitable and displacing 60 million. That is some bullshit.
Apart from that, well done again.
My wife, an environmental engineer, struggled to believe the insanity of the Soviet CYA arrogant apparatchiks and eastern culture and seemingly insane decision making vs modern western safety engineering culture.Originally Posted by blurred
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05-31-2019, 10:17 AM #106
Your wife needs to listen to the podcast, the writer spends a lot of time explaining this behavior which is a bit hard to stomach as being real...
I think the poor explanations in general are meant to reinforce the fact that none of the people running the plant or associated with the program in general have any clue about what they're dealing with. Everyone is buying into the "happy safe atom" myth. Including the 25 y/o chief engineer and the party official who tells the fictional scientist (one of the 2 who has a clue about the exact nature of the problem) that he prefers his opinion to hers.
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06-01-2019, 11:05 AM #107
3 & 4 were good but not as good as 1 & 2
The biorobot segment was intense! Having read the accounts, seen clips and pictures, the segment in the show really brought forth the intensity.
Culling the doggies was just awful.
I didn't remember them using coal miners to dig. I'll have to see if that was real. Once again some butchered technical explanations, but tolerable.
Some real bullshit: "the baby saved the mother by absorbing the radiation! Unborn babies are dying to protect their mothers!" FUCKING CONTRIVED PURE BULLSHIT
That's right up there with the "30 Megaton explosions! Will destroy all 3 remaining reactors! 60 million displaced forever!" Pure dramatic bullshit.
Still good TV.Originally Posted by blurred
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06-01-2019, 12:16 PM #108
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06-02-2019, 05:46 PM #109
Plenty of Fantasy in HBO’s ‘Chernobyl,’ but the Truth Is Real https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/a...nobyl-hbo.html
"The first thing to understand about the HBO mini-series “Chernobyl,” which concludes its five-part run on Monday, is that a lot of it is made up. But here’s the second, and more important, thing: It doesn’t really matter."
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06-02-2019, 06:07 PM #110
So tomorrow is the final Ep? Didn't realize it was so short. They should do a season 2 series following the aftermath.
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06-02-2019, 06:12 PM #111
Too late, Main character already killed himself.
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06-02-2019, 06:14 PM #112
Aftermath. Implies after.
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06-02-2019, 06:38 PM #113
The aftermath will be around a long time.
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06-02-2019, 06:41 PM #114
You are over-thinking it.
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06-02-2019, 07:24 PM #115
Bloodlands is an excellent book. It covers the Holodomor well amongst other things. keeps you turning the page even though it is heavy.
https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Eu.../dp/0465031471
It would be good if everyone read it.Originally Posted by blurred
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06-03-2019, 12:34 AM #116Registered User
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06-03-2019, 09:39 AM #117
Dude, aftermath implies after math. Calculus is math.
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06-03-2019, 11:38 AM #118Registered User
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06-03-2019, 12:03 PM #119
I’ve been avoiding this thread until I caught up, holy crap! Intense to say the least. Surprised it’s only 5 episodes.
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06-03-2019, 06:59 PM #120
I partied too hard in the calculus period. So aftermath, I started working 40+ hrs/wk instead.
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06-03-2019, 11:42 PM #121
So good.
Want more but I’m satisfied
Time for a cigarette.
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06-03-2019, 11:56 PM #122Registered User
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They even did a good job explaining the Xenon poisoning part, which I figured they’d just skip over. I had to watch this instead of the hockey game.
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06-04-2019, 06:11 AM #123
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06-04-2019, 09:04 AM #124
Lulz, yeah....
The whole thing was a very well executed build up to episode 5.
I haven't listened to the final podcast yet (artistic license or something that actually happened), however I felt a bit of satisfaction while watching the scene where the KGB chief was explaining to Valery how it would be like he never existed and nobody would ever know his story.
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06-04-2019, 09:26 AM #125
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