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  1. #26
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    Praxis Rx, for science and shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    If me and dantheman had equivalent skier-mass-to-surface-area/length, I’d have to be on skis so long (if they even existed) I couldn’t fit them in typical ski spaces like mogul troughs or entry chokes and whatnot.

    It’s one of the things that sucks about being a large man who also loves “action sports”. I ride a 55 lb dh bike on not-super-rad trails because I had a horrendous wreck when normal mtb stuff folded up under me on a normal landing. I surf a 7’6 standup paddle board because it’s the only thing I can find that has volume and also downrails and rocker. My pow skis are 140 underfoot. All of those things are classicly kooky. It sucks being big....and one thing about being big is that we weren’t born big so we know what it was like not being big.....whereas small people don’t necessarily know what it’s like to be big.

    I think I’d give almost anything to be average size. Fit in normal seats...buy a wetsuit on sale....not have to turn every bicycle into a fucking engineering project.
    what size are you?
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    "knowledgeable in escapades of the flesh"

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW_SKIER View Post
    Long skis are dangerous. I sold all of mine after a high speed crash. I am very interested in the formula to ensure I am on the proper length ski for maximum safety. Riding long skis to show how cool you are is not for me. Please keep me updated for my safety. Thank you.


    I am 5'10 165lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveEastSkiWest View Post
    Is there "theory" on this stuff? Or at least widely accepted intuition? It seems like (almost) every ski out there keeps the same width underfoot for all the sizes in length. I always thought that was very counterintuitive. What do you think? What dimensions "should" our smaller skier be on?
    There is no commonly accepted "theory" on how to scale waist width/sidecut.

    Plenty of models scale both depending on length. Plenty of models keep the same waist width and alter the tip and tail dimension. Plenty of models keep all three dimensions the same regardless of length. Most manufacturers do all three. Some skis in each category ski well, some less so.

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    It's all coming in to focus now
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  8. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Hey! That's how you fold a fitted sheet.

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    Surface area is the real determining factor at least in Powder... that's why good skiers always used 223cm DH boards in the pow. Still do. Better for landings too. And damp as fuck. Screw rocker, taper, and sidecut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by margotron View Post
    what size are you?
    6’2 ~240

    I’ve also been 6’ 4 150 and 6’3 290.

    So, like, not freakish or anything...but gear really isn’t optimized to work for ppl my size.

    I hate it. If I could lose 70 lbs my entire relationship with the material world changes.

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    Dude, I just tried to write a real response to that question, I really did, but there are way too many variables involved here and there is no one size fits all formula, or anything even close really.

    Demo some skis. Demo long skis, fat skis, stiff skis, praxis Rx, short skis, skinny skis, rockered skis, soft skis, red skis, cambered skis, blue skis, etc etc. Figure out what you like. Don't obsess over waist widths or turn radius or topsheet or length or flex or rocker profile or anything except how they feel when you are skiing the terrain you like to ski in the style you like to ski it. Then buy the skis you liked best.

    Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people asking questions.

  12. #37
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    Assuming you want all the skiers who try a particular model to have a similar skiing experience regardless of body size, it makes sense to try to equalize the surface area/presumed body weight ratio for any ski that spends much of its life in unconsolidated snow. You don't have to look far to see companies who do this (aforementioned Rossi 7 Series, Blizzard Rustler series).

    Assuming the same for a ski that spends most of its life on hard snow, it makes some sense to try to equalize radius for presumed body weight. Most companies do this by keeping the waist dimension the same and widening the tip and tail. Radii increase with length because it is assumed bigger and heavier people will bend the ski in a turn and shorten the radius.

    Even though it is almost always the goal, it's very difficult to maintain the "feel" of a model along the entire length range of a model. You can try to scale rocker, longitudinal flex, torsional flex and weight distribution by the numbers but the end result doesn't always match expectations.

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    Can't even really equate ski surface area and rider weight as the only factors in float. Speed of skier across said powder is also a huge factor in float.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    another wise man once told me, "floatation is groovy."

    and I became a true believer.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    I became a true believer.
    Mofro doesn't believe in sizing or slowing down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Can't even really equate ski surface area and rider weight as the only factors in float. Speed of skier across said powder is also a huge factor in float.
    So do I go faster because I'm on 223 DH boards or do the 223 DH boards make me go faster? I'm confused and now pretty sure I have the onset of a migraine or panic attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel View Post
    PugSki Jong
    Quote Originally Posted by reckless toboggan View Post
    Epicski called...they want their thread back.
    Bumping to page 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlecross View Post
    So do I go faster because I'm on 223 DH boards or do the 223 DH boards make me go faster? I'm confused and now pretty sure I have the onset of a migraine or panic attack.
    That's not all that's going to hurt if you're skiing 223s in bottomless powder... especially if you're in tight trees LOL
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    The camel toe version of my 183 atomic redsters GS are faster than my 223 RC4
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    The camel toe version of my 183 atomic redsters GS are faster than my 223 RC4
    Well duh... they're RED. Of course they're faster..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeleBeaver View Post
    Dude, I just tried to write a real response to that question, I really did, but there are way too many variables involved here and there is no one size fits all formula, or anything even close really.

    Demo some skis. Demo long skis, fat skis, stiff skis, praxis Rx, short skis, skinny skis, rockered skis, soft skis, red skis, cambered skis, blue skis, etc etc. Figure out what you like. Don't obsess over waist widths or turn radius or topsheet or length or flex or rocker profile or anything except how they feel when you are skiing the terrain you like to ski in the style you like to ski it. Then buy the skis you liked best.

    Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people asking questions.
    what was the question again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    what was the question again?
    I believe it was, "Do these skis make me look fat?"

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    no your refrigerator makes you look fat
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    I'm waiting for that one guy to mention tip extenders.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    I'm waiting for that one guy to mention tip extenders.
    Just the tip, thatís all you need.

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