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    Quote Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight View Post
    Something like that here too. I heard a percent of sheriff's have publicly said they won't enforce it.
    I don't know that much about how it works.. is there a hearing or a court order to 'deem' someone a threat, like a protection order, and then cops go and forcefully take their guns? That sounds .. hazardous.
    What do they do with the guns then?

    It'd suck for a spiteful ex in a divorce/custody battle to inappropriately 'raise a red flag' .. so I wonder what the check/balance is.
    Yeah. In theory this sounds like a good thing, but executing that policy could be extremely dangerous for the police.

    If the person is wrongfully accused, then hopefully they have a head on their shoulders and will proceed according to the law and get their guns back. Then go shoot the mutherfucker who screwed them over

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    The ATF raided my sketchy neighbor in salt lake to seize his firearms. It went fine. Itís not really any different operationally than stuff that happens fairly regularly like apprehending a murder suspect or any kind of SWAT standoff. Itís serious business, but also bread-and-butter every day stuff for swat or US Marshalls or that kind of outfit.

    Law enforcement claiming they canít handle it is just bullshit politics. For some law enforcement agency to claim theyíre not equipped to handle disarming someone is more or less them admitting they donít know how to deal with crime at all.
    Oh, you canít disarm people. Guess thatís a good place to go rob a bank then. wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Her website and journal entries say something very different. Her dad said she had mental issues. The FBI was already monitoring her.

    Why we canít get sensible gun control to prevent someone with this kind of background from buying a gun is beyond me. I know it doesnít solve the problem but it would help in my opinion.
    So infringe on the rights of all citizens is the call instead of confronting the one person already known to be a potential threat. How is that commonsense, logical, fair or legal?

    It's none of those things. You're another of those absorbing the nonsense spewed by the MSM and the leftist politicians working to remove rights from the citizens, making the society as a whole weaker. There will never be a consensus on this. And those of us who believe this is contrary to the basis of the USA will never allow these things to happen.

    Only about 4% of rifle and magazine owners in New York registered their belongings even though not registering makes them alleged felons. About the same in CT when the unconstitutional law was pushed through.
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    Cool. More gun trolling.

    Maybe we’ll solve it this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideski View Post
    As a gun owner I'm all in favor of waiting periods, magazine limits, background checks, closing gun show loopholes, and open minded about any new ideas that others have.

    But interesting to note that if she hadn't purchased the gun at a store, ie from someone off the net, or in an alley etc, the FBI possibly wouldn't have known she was in Denver.
    Rideski can store his firearms in a locker at the gun range, requesting permission form the government to use it for generic target practice when the government deems it appropriate. The rest of us will follow the letter and intent of the 2nd amendment in the Bill of Rights.

    There's no such thing as a gun show loophole. Pelosi and Feinstein have you up their asses. Mag limits don't reduce damage. 'Mass shootings' have been deadly with low capacity mags. And this chick had a federal and CO background check completed to purchase the shotgun. That did a great job of stopping things from happening.

    Simply confronting her when the FBI knew she was a potential threat would have kept this whole drama from occurring. Her parents are complicit as well if they now are saying she was a wack job and did nothing to help her. Like a vast majority of these types of people, planning to murder, their intentions have been blatantly posted and the authorities, friends and family do nothing to intervene. Laws won't fix this. Morals and societal breakdown have allowed these things to play out.

    London has a higher murder and violent crime rate than NYC...yet their firearm laws are extremely strict.

    Firearms were more plentiful and commonly handled decades ago and there weren't people doing these things. Guys had rifles and shotguns in their pickup window racks at school all the time and no schools were shot up. It's a breakdown of society and lack of compassion that's creating these individuals.
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    A whole lot of correlation proves causation logic going on in GGS arguement. I'm assuming this is normal? Need some actual statistics to back that up son. Even then the relationships are likely to be coincidental.

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    I thought it was common knowledge here, but I have amended my earlier post.

    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Never, ever, read the comments, or respond to GGS.
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    Thereís so much flawed logic and brainwashed bullshit in his previous post itís laughable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    I thought it was common knowledge here, but I have amended my earlier post.
    You, sir, are wise beyond your years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    A whole lot of correlation proves causation logic going on in GGS arguement. I'm assuming this is normal? Need some actual statistics to back that up son. Even then the relationships are likely to be coincidental.
    Stats don't back his claims up, it's all cherrypicking. There was a short time late February and early March 2018 in London, for example, when the murder rate spiked slightly and the rate was higher but has since reverted to the historical average with it lower in London than NY. The real story is how much safer NY has become.

    The next argument typically revolves around violent crime being higher but various countries categorize crimes differently so it's a nonsensical comparison. The constant calls for more Big Brother FBI domestic interventions against "potential threats" in order to protect freedom is also a weird paradox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Thereís so much flawed logic and brainwashed bullshit in his previous post itís laughable.


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    I don't know about Colorado's law in particular but the way most red flag laws work is that when a complaint is made to the police they judge the credibility of the complaint--the same way they do for any other complaint, eg domestic violence--and decide whether to confiscate the guns. The confiscation is time limited--60 days comes to mind but I'm not sure about that--and to continue the hold LE has to go before a judge with evidence; otherwise the person gets the guns back.

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    Does anyone actually research and read anymore, or just text and rant on the internet?

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...a_1177_enr.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Does anyone actually research and read anymore, or just text and rant on the internet?

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...a_1177_enr.pdf
    Why would I want to do that? I can learn everything I need to know from random people on Facebook.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldengatestinx View Post
    It's a breakdown of society and lack of compassion that's creating these individuals.
    Quote Originally Posted by goldengatestinx View Post
    It's none of those things.You're another of those absorbing the MSM and the leftist politicians working to remove rights from the citizens
    3. None of the above.
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    Dude its losers like you that give ski bums a bad rap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Does anyone actually research and read anymore, or just text and rant on the internet?

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...a_1177_enr.pdf
    And why would I want to bother to read the Colorado law? I'm not in Colorado. The Colorado people can read their own damn law, I'll read mine. (Actually I won't. If I know of someone who might need their guns removed I'll call the police and let them read the law. But what I know of our law--summarized in the newspaper--seems common-sense and Constitutionally defensible, a reasonable compromise between exigent circumstances [I learned that phrase watching L and O] and due process.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Does anyone actually research and read anymore, or just text and rant on the internet?

    https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defau...a_1177_enr.pdf

    Thanks MTM. Easy read.

    Seems fair enough, submit a sworn affidavit with reasons why, and a judge rules - like a protection order hearing - but accompanied by a search warrant for the guns? That's a pretty decent bit of oversight, no? This doesn't offend me. I'm no dentist, but this seems pretty above board and reasonable to me too.

    The mental health piece is the hot potato - guns are just a tool. People have found other tools too .. cars or knives or planes or bombs or whatever.

    No argument, laws alone aren't near enough to cure what ails us. But sensible prevention has room for a little legislation.

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