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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    i’d like to recommend Mercer Island for sue.
    Lived there for many years. Great place. Nicely situated between Seattle & Bellevue yet you felt miles away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stalefish3169 View Post
    I live right in the epicenter of PDX's homeless problem (SE Industrial District). From my point of view, most of the people I see on the streets now are not the down on their luck kind of crowd, but are mostly hard-core addicts. It's going to take a while to come back from the mess we're in, but at least the Purdue family is finally being held accountable for largely facilitating the opioid crisis.

    I would like to see several things happen to get us out of the homelessness crisis. Firstly, legalize heroin and make it so addicts can get weaned off of it under a doctor's supervision like has been done very successfully in Switzerland. Secondly, integrate the homelessness problem with the Green New Deal and infrastructure initiatives; make it so there is a place that people can go everyday and have a short-term/mid-term living wage job with almost no exceptions. Optional temporary housing as part of this program would make sense. If people don't want to work, or can't for whatever reason, give them some additional options including free temporary housing, mental healthcare, etc. Once these options are in place, toughen up on tents/sidewalk living within city limits. You don't want to go to a job? You can go to rehab or mental healthcare facility. You don't want to go to one of those, you can keep camping on the streets, but after 3 strikes or whatever, you go to jail. Rinse repeat. Finally, we need to nuke single family zoning restrictions. Portland/Oregon is already getting going on this, but our antiquated zoning laws are largely responsible for the lack of affordable housing. All the boomers that complain about homelessness, but have gotten rich by doing nothing but but watching the price of their close-in houses go up insanely can get fucked.

    How are we going to pay for this? We can start with drastic cuts to the military budget. Anyone who honestly believes we need to spend close to a trillion dollars a year on our military is an asshole. Secondly, we can reverse the bullshit Trump tax cuts. Let's be real here, Bezos could singlehandedly end Seattle's homeless problem if he wanted to. Nobody needs 100 billion dollars.

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    I agree with all of this and I work in downtown pdx.^
    But it will never happen. First the cost. Second our incompetent city council, especially the hardesty/eudaly/fritz cabal. 3rd is our atypical for bigger cities weak mayor form of government--nothing gets done, especially because the cabal has to agree. 4th the homeless "nonprofit" industry.
    We have spent about a billion total on the homeless issue and we have more camps than ever.

    Charlie Hales rolled out the red carpet for the homeless when he allowed street camping using a "housing emergency" as cover. The rule was camps had to be dismantled by 7 am. Never happened. And city hall told the cops not to enforce it. Hence tents everywhere, all the time.

    And garbage, 2.6 million pounds of it in 2017. And shit; in '17 the city picked up 8400 gallons of human waste. And hypodermic needles : 350,000 of those the same year. all at the cost of $3.6 million/year. Tax dollars.
    And then there are the fires they cause. And the assaults.
    It's a crisis in portland. Millions of dollars of repair/mediation work from homeless camps (hazmat scenes really) still needs to be done to natural areas alone.

    The city is overwhelmed. Police and parks are understaffed and there are about 450 complaints a week about the homeless; of course the city can only address a fraction.
    Someone needs to lead.

    The OR legislature is now holding hearings on removing single family zoning restrictions statewide.

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    Hello good sir.

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    I hope all is well with you and yours down stumptown way.

    Looks like # 1 son may be living down in SE off Woodstock in a year and a half. I'll fire a flare o'er your bow for drinks.
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    wording another way, i don’t think seattle is dying, i think the US is, and some places hide that better than others

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
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    All is well brother and I'll keep an eye toward the bow from the mizzenmast.
    Pass at whiteh2o the last 2 years!
    Hallo KQ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by natty dread View Post
    All is well brother and I'll keep an eye toward the bow from the mizzenmast.
    Pass at whiteh2o the last 2 years!
    Hallo KQ!
    Whoo boy - been a long time since that kegger at The Dorks! Since then it's been nothing but missed connections in Whistler and Hood River.

    Let me know if you ever get up to W2. Would love to see you (you too Buster).
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    Quote Originally Posted by shroom View Post
    wording another way, i don’t think seattle is dying, i think the US is, and some places hide that better than others
    Yes...and frustratingly, places that are hostile and dangerous toward the indigent force them to more humane environments, then harp about all the problems in those more humane places, as if those places weren’t graciously undertaking the whole country’s burden.
    It would be like if some asshole beat up his kids for making the yard a mess, so the kids went and stayed with a nice neighbor next door....and then wife-beater is bragging about his nice yard and look at that shithole yard next door—as if there’s no history or backstory, as if being nice created the problem next door and his shitty behavior solved it. It’s just fucking retarded, straight-up.


    I tend to think we should insist on a humane baseline everywhere. I think we’d cultivate a more creative, more dynamic, healthier culture if we worked on ensuring there’s a reasonable floor for those who don’t make it, rather than a bottomless abyss of unpayable debt, untreated illness, and homelessness.
    I tend to think there are essentially oligarchs who benefit from all kinds of strife and discontent, and they’ve got the money and power to steer our politics and media toward all this chaos. It’s so evident what’s taking place when you step away from it into a calmer healthier culture...to me, we just have to take that money and power back, with taxes or by killing off the billionaires one by one, or enforcing monopoly laws or whatever it takes, and start using those resources to make our collective lives better.

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    Seattle SJW chiming in here. Agree that other cities are pushing addicted/mentally I'll people to places like sea and pdx. But money isn't going to solve this. Quit frankly, it's about harm reduction....and relocating homeless service providers to a place like Meyers Park (unicorporated king county) would draw homeless people away downtown, parks, businesses. Sure, there would still be homeless people downtown but the numbers would decrease and maybe the police would be have the capacity to do their job. I live in Rainier Beach and there are no tents down here because there are no service providers. If some of the shelters sold their space in high rent areas like pioneer square and relocated to outer areas like Meyers, they'd have a lot more money to help. Also, transitional housing makes a lot more sense in Kent/Auburn/Renton (better access to entry level employment, cheaper land) tha. In downtown. It's never going to to happen because the political will for relocating service providers isn't there.

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    Seattle is dying

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    i’d like to recommend Mercer Island for sue.
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    Lived there for many years. Great place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natty dread View Post
    All is well brother and I'll keep an eye toward the bow from the mizzenmast.
    Pass at whiteh2o the last 2 years!
    Hallo KQ!
    nice to see your name, L.

    Do you just drive up to wh2o?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    I tend to think we should insist on a humane baseline everywhere. I think we’d cultivate a more creative, more dynamic, healthier culture if we worked on ensuring there’s a reasonable floor for those who don’t make it, rather than a bottomless abyss of unpayable debt, untreated illness, and homelessness.
    Definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    nice to see your name, L.

    Do you just drive up to wh2o?
    Hey J!
    Yep drive up, 7.5 hrs from hr—Really grown to love that whole zone, might spend winters there in a few years.

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    Great job, LA. An individual at least TRIED to do something helpful but the "compassionate" city govt says nope!


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    Apparently housing is becoming more affordable across the border.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...empty-mansions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    Apparently housing is becoming more affordable across the border.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...empty-mansions
    How is it that millions of illegal immigrants seem to be able to find shelter and work, but these (presumably) US citizens can't? Asking for a friend..







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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTV View Post
    How is it that millions of illegal immigrants seem to be able to find shelter and work, but these (presumably) US citizens can't? Asking for a friend..
    Because immigrants are hard working and resourceful.

    Answering for a friend.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    More family support is another. Even the gangbangers fear grandma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Because immigrants are hard working and resourceful.
    Except for all those lazy British ones...


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    Most American kids are spending 4 years learning absolutely nothing and drinking beer while going into debt. The immigrants have a 4 year head start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveTV View Post
    How is it that millions of illegal immigrants seem to be able to find shelter and work, but these (presumably) US citizens can't? Asking for a friend..
    Because they work their asses off and share an apartment with others. I've worked physical labor jobs where (presumably) immigrant workers easily will work 12+hr days for weeks straight. Housing isn't as much as a consideration when you work a lot. And from my experience, these co workers were always in a good mood and fun to work with. Not sure where all this racism comes from in the US...oh wait, lazy Americans who want a fancy apartment all to themselves while working part-time, 20hr weeks and dropping $100 on Sunday brunch and mimosas. Or conversely rural redneck working same job as immigrant, but doesn't work as hard and mad that his paycheck isn't quite covering the new Bass speedboat or lifted Dodge Ram he just financed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    Most American kids are spending 4 years learning absolutely nothing and drinking beer while going into debt. The immigrants have a 4 year head start.
    add it to groomers list cuz it’s mostly true
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