Page 27 of 30 FirstFirst ... 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 LastLast
Results 651 to 675 of 745
  1. #651
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Spokane/Schweitzer
    Posts
    5,199
    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    It was for sound transit. But the rest of the state that we give 37% of our tax revenue doesnt believe we should spend any money on transit.

    800 is whack, 300-400 per car is about average.
    I don't know that the entire rest of the state is against transit or transportation/road spending but, clearly, enough were. I know I voted against I-976 but that's normal. I generally vote against public initiatives in principle and I never vote for any Eyman initiatives, mostly because he's just a total tool and scammer.

    I know our local Chamber was pushing hard against I-976 as well as the AGC. For economic development, we need the transit and transportation, especially related to the N-S Corridor work that won't be complete until 2029. It may be much longer, now that 'the people' have spoken. Short-sighted, stupid outcome.

  2. #652
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    30,563
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    I don't know that the entire rest of the state is against transit or transportation/road spending but, clearly, enough were. I know I voted against I-976 but that's normal. I generally vote against public initiatives in principle and I never vote for any Eyman initiatives, mostly because he's just a total tool and scammer.

    I know our local Chamber was pushing hard against I-976 as well as the AGC. For economic development, we need the transit and transportation, especially related to the N-S Corridor work that won't be complete until 2029. It may be much longer, now that 'the people' have spoken. Short-sighted, stupid outcome.
    Commonlaw's loafer budget is restored though.

    Bringing this back from fine dining options and our fleets of autobahn crushers.

    As I got to work this morning at downtown tower there were six cops standing around with their thumbs up their asses while some tweaked out homeless dude rolled around on the steps of the building. 20 minutes later they were still there. So were their thumbs. So was homeless dude except he was now laying in a puddle of his own vomit.

    Remember when SPD would charge batons waving at WTO protesters or punch teenage jay walkers?
    Last edited by PNWbrit; 11-22-2019 at 12:38 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

  3. #653
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,628
    There is almost no seattle issue more important to me than transportation and I have been paying to fund it for decades. This isnt a binary issue where residents either pay what is imposed and get lumped into the camp that cares about infrastructure and community, or they vote against the increased costs and get lumped into the camp that wants more loafers at the expense of their fellow city dwellers. Live through the history of the link light rail and viaduct project botches, and then tell me you won't get a little suspicious about where you money is going and who is looking after the fiduciary relationship between the taxpayer and the government.

    I can still pay a fair share via all the other avenues of taxation but smell bullshit when I see it and call it out with my vote. The answer to our problems isnt charging people $400 a year to drive 15 year old cars.

  4. #654
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Before
    Posts
    20,897
    Maybe those extra restaurant fees will cover things?
    Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
    >>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<

  5. #655
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Alpental
    Posts
    5,540
    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    There is almost no seattle issue more important to me than transportation and I have been paying to fund it for decades. This isnt a binary issue where residents either pay what is imposed and get lumped into the camp that cares about infrastructure and community, or they vote against the increased costs and get lumped into the camp that wants more loafers at the expense of their fellow city dwellers. Live through the history of the link light rail and viaduct project botches, and then tell me you won't get a little suspicious about where you money is going and who is looking after the fiduciary relationship between the taxpayer and the government.

    I can still pay a fair share via all the other avenues of taxation but smell bullshit when I see it and call it out with my vote. The answer to our problems isnt charging people $400 a year to drive 15 year old cars.
    Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
    Move upside and let the man go through...

  6. #656
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Before
    Posts
    20,897
    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
    Nah, too visionary.
    Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
    >>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<

  7. #657
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Seattle
    Posts
    30,563
    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    $400 a year to drive 15 year old cars.
    Doesn't really seem that unreasonable to me sounds like it's probably something fancy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

  8. #658
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Eburg
    Posts
    13,073
    Tim Eyman's initiatives are a cultural own-the-libs test, the legacy of Seattle voters' self-imposed wound of killing federally funded mass transit in 1968 and again in 1970. The fed money went to Atlanta to build MARTA.

  9. #659
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,628
    Quote Originally Posted by GeezerSteve View Post
    Tim Eyman's initiatives are a cultural own-the-libs test, the legacy of Seattle voters' self-imposed wound of killing federally funded mass transit in 1968 and again in 1970. The fed money went to Atlanta to build MARTA.
    Yeah we screwed that one up early and once we wised up, whatever plans we have won't match growth. Add in Eyman hamstringing any already hamstrung department and the whole history has been a trash fire.

    I get the irony with that last statement and my ire over the tabs, but as with many things voters usually only get a menu with two equally stupid and extreme options. Pick one and hope the lawsuits get us somewhere in the middle eventually and with a small dash of accountability.

  10. #660
    Join Date
    Sep 2001
    Location
    Before
    Posts
    20,897
    Seattle voters can always vote down the latest in corporate welfare spectator sport venues only to have their vote overturned in the Legislature.
    Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
    >>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<

  11. #661
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Eburg
    Posts
    13,073
    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    . . . voters usually only get a menu with two equally stupid and extreme options.
    In 2010 WA voters were presented with a progressive income tax starting on households making $400K -- and they soundly defeated it 64% to 36%. Those margins were nearly identical to defeated measures in 1975 and 1982.

    WA's regressive taxation is very frustrating to me, a small businessman and a small biz attorney for 33 years. WA's B&O tax is the most regressive tax possible on small biz, a real small biz killer. For 30 years I have tried like hell to inform and persuade my clients that replacing (fully or partially) WA's B&O tax with a progressive income tax and/or a progressive tax on capital gains would be a boon to WA small biz, but my plea usually falls on deaf ears and often met with the tired all-taxes-are-evil Reagan/Norquist/Eyman unthinking knee jerk response.

  12. #662
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Spokane/Schweitzer
    Posts
    5,199
    ^^ You're right about the B&O tax. I've railed on that for years. On the income tax, though, remember that Christine Gregoire was one who was trumpeting to other businesses outside the state that they should move here since we don't have a state income tax. It's been fought to some extent on both sides of the argument.

  13. #663
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Eburg
    Posts
    13,073
    Yeah, Christine Gregoire successfully used income tax fearmongering in her race against Ron Sims. A reliable source tells me that she always privately supported a progressive income tax. But politics is politics and fearmongering works.

  14. #664
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Spokane/Schweitzer
    Posts
    5,199
    Quote Originally Posted by GeezerSteve View Post
    Yeah, Christine Gregoire successfully used income tax fearmongering in her race against Ron Sims. A reliable source tells me that she always privately supported a progressive income tax. But politics is politics and fearmongering works.
    Oh, I'm certain she personally supported an income tax but she was keenly aware that the majority of voters in the state were solidly against it. Don't wave the flag of an unpopular issue when you depend on those votes to keep your job. Politics 101.

  15. #665
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    2,178
    Big infrastructure projects are costly and time consuming and prone to cost overruns. That's almost a global constant - it's by no means unique to Seattle. Deal with it, or accept the alternative. You aren't going to get perfect and it's almost never in the middle.

  16. #666
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,324
    So wise ^


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

  17. #667
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    2,178
    ^ says the dude who thinks dealing with the shitass traffic to get to oregon to save a couple $ from the 'couv is a good deal. crossing the columbia is great example of stupid failures of transport planning in the PNW. the charm of the PNW was it's parochialism, it's also the achilles heel, and it's amazing how parochial all of the "worldly" immigrants are.

  18. #668
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,628
    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    Big infrastructure projects are costly and time consuming and prone to cost overruns. That's almost a global constant - it's by no means unique to Seattle. Deal with it, or accept the alternative. You aren't going to get perfect and it's almost never in the middle.
    I do deal with it by paying what I owe and using my vote to send whatever small message I can. Every city has overruns but Seattle’s were especially laughable and shortsighted. Calling that out can be an independent exercise. No need to put people into one of two buckets, HC.


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

  19. #669
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,324
    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    ^ says the dude who thinks dealing with the shitass traffic to get to oregon to save a couple $ from the 'couv is a good deal. crossing the columbia is great example of stupid failures of transport planning in the PNW. the charm of the PNW was it's parochialism, it's also the achilles heel, and it's amazing how parochial all of the "worldly" immigrants are.
    What in tarnation you talkin bout?

    How is paying no income tax and no sales tax a bad deal for an individual?

    Dumbass.


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

  20. #670
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On Vacation for the Duration
    Posts
    11,852
    Suckier public services and roads. It's a trade off. And as someone said somewhat screwed up muli billion public works projects are the norm. Has been since before the Hoover Dam.
    A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.

  21. #671
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    the ham
    Posts
    6,829
    Did they ever tear down the bridges to nowhere, aka 520 ghost ramps at the Washington Park Arboretum?

  22. #672
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    On Vacation for the Duration
    Posts
    11,852
    And spend hard working taxpayer dollars? The off ramp to nowhere still exists where I'd take my dates to watch the sun set in 1966.
    A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.

  23. #673
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Posts
    2,178
    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    Every city has overruns but Seattle’s were especially laughable and shortsighted. Calling that out can be an independent exercise.
    No - they really weren't for a city of Seattle's aspirations. Not even close to laughable. Y'all assign yourself into the bucket of people who value their time at $0 when stuck in traffic and only think of opportunity cost as something that happens with your money. There's been 50 years of infrastructure and traffic projects Seattle had a chance at and they've voted for lower taxes and shitty traffic. that's your choice, that's your bucket.

  24. #674
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    1,182
    AK47- have you actually commuted over the Columbia I5 bridge?

    That thing should have replaced 20 years ago.

  25. #675
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    5,324
    Quote Originally Posted by char_ View Post
    AK47- have you actually commuted over the Columbia I5 bridge?

    That thing should have replaced 20 years ago.
    Oh yea. Its a big hunk of iron shit.


    Sent from my iPhone using TGR Forums

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •