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03-27-2019, 06:03 AM #201Banned
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An hour on the Opioid Epidemic.
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03-27-2019, 06:32 AM #202
‘Ugly Laws’ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_law
Ugly laws identified groups of people as disturbing the flow of public life and banned them from public spaces. Such people, deemed "unsightly" or "unseemly," were usually impoverished and often beggars. Thus ugly laws were methods by which lawmakers attempted to remove the poor from sight.[2]
Laws similar to the one in Chicago followed in Denver, Colorado and Lincoln, Nebraska in 1889. At some time from 1881 to 1890 an ugly law was enacted in Omaha, Nebraska.[9] Additionally, ugly laws were sparked by the Panic of 1893.[2] These included Columbus, Ohio in 1894, and in 1891 for the entire state of Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania's was different as it contained language applying to cognitive disability as well as physical disability.[2] An attempt was made at introducing ugly laws in New York, but it failed in 1895. Initial drafts in New York were similar to those in Pennsylvania as to include cognitive disabilities.[2] Reno, Nevada instituted an ordinance before 1905.[2] Los Angeles, California attempted to pass an ordinance in 1913.
Historically, ugly laws can be found under the headings of unsightly beggar law or unsightly beggar ordinance.[1]Know of a pair of Fischer Ranger 107Ti 189s (new or used) for sale? PM me.
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03-27-2019, 07:29 AM #203Registered User
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I never had a problem with the breathing stuff, I was blowing away their thresholds even before they had to roll me in for the emergency surgery to stop the arterial bleeding when I couldn't do more than lift my arms. Walking and even getting out of bed to pee were out of the question for a few days anyway, especially when my sack was swollen to the size of a very large grapefruit because it was filled with blood from the leaking artery, so controlling that aspect of the pain was pretty meaningless. I kept saying that I'd rather hurt a little bit than risk making something worse because I didn't feel it happening. The zanex was to shut me up
If the addiction was caused by poor choices made I don't have much sympathy, if it is due to choices that were made for you when you were in a compromised state it's different.
Like I said above, sorry for the misread but my sarcasmometer is broken when it comes to this topic.
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03-27-2019, 07:38 AM #204
descendents of the poor laws - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Poor_Laws
the dutch workhouse of the 16-17th cent had a "make work" room in the basement. water came in, you learned to pump water out under obvious threat of drowning. they stopped it when someone died.
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03-27-2019, 08:38 AM #205Banned
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03-27-2019, 09:00 AM #206
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03-27-2019, 09:17 AM #207
Ask the Medicis about Florence and their protection budget.
As for "dying", that's a bit emo, but yeah, Seattle ain't the Emerald City anymore.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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03-27-2019, 11:30 AM #208Registered User
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First you decide to try it and find out it's kind of fun. Then... Nobody makes you do so much blow/heroin/meth/oxy etc. that you lose who you were and can't get back. If you fall into that hole after making the decision to start when it's pretty easy to know beforehand where it can take you why should I feel for you? If you're strong enough to pull yourself out of it (early enough that you're not a wreck) I'll help you get back on your feet but if your choice is to let it consume you you're on your own. I have a hard time seeing that as a disease. No I don't think you should get free treatment at a methodone clinic after getting yourself all screwed up either. I worked across the street from one for over 10 years and if you saw some of the characters on the street you'd be sad that you were paying for it out of your taxes, if you saw some of the very wealthy celebrities getting free care you'd be angry when your medical insurance was over 20% of your take home pay.
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03-27-2019, 11:35 AM #209
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03-27-2019, 11:35 AM #210
" I have a hard time seeing that as a disease."
That is the problem right there. Define disease please.A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.
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03-27-2019, 11:45 AM #211
Sorry for your kids.
A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.
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03-27-2019, 11:45 AM #212
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03-27-2019, 11:56 AM #213
Believe what you need to keep your brain from exploding davieboy. I'd bet that you beat your kids. C'mon, fess up. Spare the rod and all that.
A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.
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03-27-2019, 12:02 PM #214
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03-27-2019, 12:03 PM #215
Hey, I found your" Plenty of Fish" account!
https://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx...le_id=64500885
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03-27-2019, 12:32 PM #216Banned
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I see little kids waiting for the school bus in front of the trashy weekly rate motels every day.
It's pretty heartbreaking.
Especially when you know how the other kids are treating them.
There is one father that comes out of a motel with his kid, probably a 10 year old every day and rides the bus with him across town to drop him off at an elementary school. He doesnt appear to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Our country is fucked up and it's time we stop blaming the weakest, most vulnerable members of society for its problems.
How about the strong and powerful consider a solution...oh wait...
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03-27-2019, 12:41 PM #217
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03-27-2019, 12:48 PM #218Banned
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Pulling your head out of your ass for long enough to realize that the cost of helping every addict, regardless of how they got there, will be far less than the costs that are inflicted on society by addicts under the combination of benign neglect and tough love that is the current approach to dealing with addicts.
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03-27-2019, 12:54 PM #219
Maybe watch the last 15 minutes of that documentary and see how Rhode Island does it. Then convince your officials to do it. Every recovering addict interviewed is grateful for the "tough love" and said they would probably be dead otherwise.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...inmates-219594Last edited by DaveTV; 03-27-2019 at 01:20 PM.
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03-27-2019, 01:36 PM #220Banned
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Tough love doesnt work without options.
Nobody can pull themselves up by their boot straps if they dont even have boots.
Right now we have a whole bunch of broken people in a broken system that has never worked for them that don't have anything to give fuck about. Nothing to lose.
The weakest, most vulnerable members of our society that have the least. The least wealth. The least power. The least anything.
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03-27-2019, 01:43 PM #221
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03-27-2019, 01:45 PM #222Banned
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They cant get off the street and get help if there isnt a place off the streets and help for them...
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03-27-2019, 01:48 PM #223
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03-27-2019, 01:55 PM #224
Seattle has always been a shit hole. Whats new about that?
"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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03-27-2019, 02:00 PM #225slacker
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because now it's dying... doing what it loves best... being grungy.
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