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    I step over needles to get in my car every day. Junkies like to use the corner of my parking garage. The bright orange caps make them easy to see luckily.

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    Many of the homeless are a result of the opiate crisis so the entities responsible there need to step up.

    We have the same problem in Bellingham.

    I would like to see them get very tough on crime as well as anti loitering and camping in parks/on sidewalks and illegally parked RV shitholes while at the same time beefing up the options for drug treatment, mental health treatment, housing programs, etc.

    People either get with a program and stop being a nuisance or they go to jail.

    Our jail is full, though. People laugh at the police here because they know they arent going to jail unless the do something big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    I step over needles to get in my car every day. Junkies like to use the corner of my parking garage. The bright orange caps make them easy to see luckily.
    It's not just Seattle the horrendous overcrowding and conditions in the tent cities and shelters in Seattle have pushed this out to neighborhoods, and cities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Many of the homeless are a result of the opiate crisis so the entities responsible there need to step up.

    We have the same problem in Bellingham.

    I would like to see them get very tough on crime as well as anti loitering and camping in parks/on sidewalks and illegally parked RV shitholes while at the same time beefing up the options for drug treatment, mental health treatment, housing programs, etc.

    People either get with a program and stop being a nuisance or they go to jail.

    Our jail is full, though. People laugh at the police here because they know they arent going to jail unless the do something big.
    There is always a one way bus ticket to some nice Red state like Texas or Arizona. In our town the cops just drive them over the bridge and say don't come back. EZ peezy, no homeless people. But it is a small town.

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    The millennial hipster “homeless” annoy the shit out of me though.

    Holding the signs asking for weed money smoking cigarettes and using a cell phone. God Bless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    The millennial hipster “homeless” annoy the shit out of me though.

    Holding the signs asking for weed money smoking cigarettes and using a cell phone. God Bless.
    WTF, this is a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post

    I would like to see them get very tough on crime
    People either get with a program and stop being a nuisance or they go to jail.
    NYC did that in the late 70's. Tough on crime, lock them up. No more junkies at Grand Central for me to trip over. Worked for a while. Now the jails are still full and few were helped. Did more damage than the benefit. Money is always the answer or the excuse. I see a connection in someone worth $100 billion not paying any state income tax and the dead baby that was found in the tent camp 15. miles from his "house". You just can't collect enough in "sin taxes" to make it work at some level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    WTF, this is a thing?
    It is. I work in the U District and they are all over. Chain wallet type usually with a dog.

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    Makes sense to me. Begging is hard work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    usually with a dog.
    They should have sent to the farm in Chile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79

    I would like to see them get very tough on crime
    People either get with a program and stop being a nuisance or they go to jail.
    MAGA tough?
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    I found this very interesting and amazing, and not surprising.

    I lived on the streets during the mid to late 90's in Eugene OR (I was doing the ascetic mystic thing, and renounced worldiness). Back then I saw cops as the big mean dog people would sic on you if they didn't like the way you looked (even if you did nothing to deserve it). It was understood that this would happen if you made a nuisance of yourself, and pushed on the comfort zones of normal people. Even the hard core drunks who drank Cisco, knew enough to stumble from one out-of-sight spot to another, and not stay there very long, or the cops would come.

    This situation baffles me, a rich city where prosecutors are releasing violent offenders, and dealers of hard drugs, it doesn't track with my experience. However, it is not surprising that a city that allows people to hold three grams of hard drugs without threat of arrest, and allow junkies to use the drugs in plain sight, would have all the problems described.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtngirl79 View Post
    Many of the homeless are a result of the opiate crisis so the entities responsible there need to step up.

    We have the same problem in Bellingham.

    I would like to see them get very tough on crime as well as anti loitering and camping in parks/on sidewalks and illegally parked RV shitholes while at the same time beefing up the options for drug treatment, mental health treatment, housing programs, etc.

    People either get with a program and stop being a nuisance or they go to jail.

    Our jail is full, though. People laugh at the police here because they know they arent going to jail unless the do something big.
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    I worked at my dad's business during summers as a teenager. Going home after work took us through Portland's skid road area. I can still remember driving through there one day when Dad hollered "pull over right now". He jumped out and told me to wait. He went over to a really scruffy-assed stumbling bum and started talking to him. They conversed for a while, Dad reached into his wallet and gave him some $$$, they shook hands and he came back. When I asked "who the hell was that?" he said "that's Einer Bay. I worked in the woods with him 20 years ago. He was one hell of a hook tender (lead man on a logging crew) until his wife ran off with another guy. He got into the bottle and never came back. Sad fuckin' situation".
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    My daughter was a nurse in the Arizona penal system for several years. In her experience most of the inmates are mentally ill, and were homeless before their current stay in the joint. It becomes a revolving door - they self-medicate, make a bad decision, get locked up, can't get a job or a place to live afterward because they are mentally ill ex-cons, so they make another bad choice and end up back in the joint. Rinse and repeat
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    My point - too many people see homelessness and addiction as a moral failure. IMV it's a societal failure - too many homeless are self medicating their mental illness (such as vets with PTSD), or made a bad decision from which they couldn't recover, or a fast-changing economy and the skyrocketing cost of housing across the Pacific time zone forced them into camping out. You can't export the problem. We spend more on military shit than the rest of the world combined, but we can't seem to find the will or resources to get these folks off the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    There is always a one way bus ticket to some nice Red state like Texas or Arizona. In our town the cops just drive them over the bridge and say don't come back. EZ peezy, no homeless people. But it is a small town.
    It's the other way around. B'ham is a destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    My point - too many people see homelessness and addiction as a moral failure. IMV it's a societal failure - too many homeless are self medicating their mental illness (such as vets with PTSD), or made a bad decision from which they couldn't recover, or a fast-changing economy and the skyrocketing cost of housing across the Pacific time zone forced them into camping out. You can't export the problem. We spend more on military shit than the rest of the world combined, but we can't seem to find the will or resources to get these folks off the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post

    My point - too many people see homelessness and addiction as a moral failure. IMV it's a societal failure - too many homeless are self medicating their mental illness (such as vets with PTSD), or made a bad decision from which they couldn't recover, or a fast-changing economy and the skyrocketing cost of housing across the Pacific time zone forced them into camping out. You can't export the problem. We spend more on military shit than the rest of the world combined, but we can't seem to find the will or resources to get these folks off the streets.
    I completely and 100% agree. Before I drove the bus, I would have been completely opposed to jail time but I feel like it's got to suck more than it does. There are so many services in Bellingham... not stabilize your life services but meals, motel rooms, clothes, tent handouts...

    That's why I think we need solutions that have been proven to work, remove the idea that homelessness and addiction are moral failures so people really have options and then they can be held accountable.

    You cant tell someone they csnt camp on the sidewalk until you have a place for them to go.

    Its cheaper to care for the homeless in cheap apartments than on the street. The whole idea that people need to get clean and sober and stable before getting housing is wrong. People need stability to get clean and sober.

    Heroin clinics for people that have failed getting clean multiple times have been proven to work and it takes away desperate customers from the drug dealers. And if addicts dont have to pay for their fix they are less likely to steal...

    Instead, churches provide most homeless services. And that sucks for a lot of people.

    That's my take on it anyways.

    Also, probably 75% of the chronic homeless people I see probably couldn't work enough to support themselves in this economy. Most are pretty disabled.

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    The komo story was a bit exaggerated but mostly accurate. Probably a few less on drugs and more just down n out, but yeah it's bad. I could go rustle up a tent or camper van within 2 blocks of my house if I wanted too. They need to let them all back in the jungle again..closing that made em spread out into the hoods.

    I don't care too much for cops but we could use a few more in this city.

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    Homeless population is an onion. Lots of layers. From where I sit it seems that fewer homeless seem to be living in hidden camps in the forests than 5 years ago. Don't see as many as I used to passing the house. I do see some leaving the city for the woods every spring to live in the woods. Don't know why the folks who live in tent at Camp 4 at the High Point exit with the rain and snow want to live there. Safety maybe? My wife volunteers at the library a lot and sees a few regulars and a small changing population of homeless using the computers. Couple of months back, a man living out of his car with his family was using the computers. Wife asks how is it going and he tells how he hurt his back, lost his job and his apartment. My wife said to him " Well I hope things will get better for you". Guy goes out the door than comes back in and says to my wife "Thanks for what you said. It's nice to know some people care. I needed that." Definitely married the right lady.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    It is. I work in the U District and they are all over. Chain wallet type usually with a dog.
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    Lived in Portland from 2005-2011. Didn't mind the homeless/rubber/or leather tramps too much until I had a kid. Did have to deal with them from time to time when trespassing in MY YARD or throwing bottles across the street towards my kid while he was playing outside. Have been known to personally escort people down to the river. Nice hike.

    Not sure the solution but I am in the camp thinking there is a problem. Went to a wedding in Bellingham and my brother was pretty sketched parking the rental near Pikes on way back. I thought he was nuts until we walked two blocks. We had some nice burgers where we could see the car from

    Again don't know the answer. Grew up in small hippy town in Nor Cal and if you pulled any shit you couldn't buy groceries at the store and we ran you out of town. Also very unfriendly to out of town streets urchims. Want to take drugs and drink, cool. Poop on the street, kick to the head as a warning
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    God Damn I love New England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    God Damn I love New England.
    Yeah, I heard New Hampshire has been very successful in avoiding the Opioid epidemic.
    /s

    The visibility of the homelessness/drug addiction problem in Seattle is disgusting and burdening. But I bet you would find NH healthcare workers, cops and businesses who are equally disgusted and burdened by having to deal with OD's and addicted communities.
    (NH mortality rate by opioids is second. Take heart though, you're not as bad as WV).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbssux View Post
    Yeah, I heard New Hampshire has been very successful in avoiding the Opioid epidemic.
    True dat, I lost someone very close to this 18 months ago. They aren't homeless and living in the streets however. Seems there is more than the "Opioid epidemic" going on out there..







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