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03-14-2019, 11:14 AM #26
Did you see that hole in the ground the Ethiopian jet made?
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03-14-2019, 11:20 AM #27
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03-14-2019, 11:26 AM #28Registered User
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03-14-2019, 11:27 AM #29Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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03-14-2019, 11:28 AM #30
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03-14-2019, 11:30 AM #31
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03-14-2019, 11:32 AM #32Funky But Chic
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03-14-2019, 11:34 AM #33
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03-14-2019, 11:39 AM #34
No, but the first 5 years of the A320 saw a number of alarming crashes.
What's alarming, and speculative at this point, about the 737 MAX is the possibility, according to pilots flying in syms, is that even with full trim deflection down the plane doesn't have enough control authority to recover. In other words, in a runaway trim scenario even if the pilot disables the system the trim can still lead into a situation where pilots cannot recover the plane from steep descent.
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03-14-2019, 11:41 AM #35Registered User
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03-14-2019, 11:54 AM #36
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
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03-14-2019, 12:03 PM #37
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03-14-2019, 12:33 PM #38“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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03-14-2019, 12:38 PM #39
Here's a good governing principal for aircraft software design: at no time should the software try to crash the airplane.
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03-14-2019, 12:59 PM #40
Meh. I would have no qualms asking the pilot and co-pilot up front if they were trained in the new MCAS system, how it responds, and if they knew how to disable it before I sat down.
And it's not like Boeing is a two bit outfit like Tesla, they'll run it though a couple simulations, the FAA, etc.I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.
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03-14-2019, 01:11 PM #41
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03-14-2019, 01:11 PM #42Registered User
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...pact-1.5054535
a fairly comprehensive artical ^^ 400 plane built and 5000 bookedLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-14-2019, 01:48 PM #43Registered User
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https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/20...2At8me0QW5MbZU
this^^ is good but pretty long, make sure you read the incidents in blue boxes reported by the pilotsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-14-2019, 02:18 PM #44
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03-14-2019, 02:31 PM #45
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03-14-2019, 02:34 PM #46
I feel like this is a solid principal.
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03-14-2019, 03:38 PM #47
Just to be clear, trim runaways are not new, nor are they unique to the MAX or even 737s. They are possible on any jet with electric trim assist. On the 737 it's called Runaway Stabilizer, there's a procedure for it in the the QRH (Quick Reference Handbook - for emergency procedures and checklists), and there are stab trim cutout switches. Pilots are trained for this in the sim, and all 737 pilots have the procedure memorized.
But that isn't the suspected cause of these two max crashes. What is being investigated is the pitot-static and angle of attack sensing systems, and how they might have erroneously (or not) triggered the MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) into commanding a nose down stabilizer input, and/or is the MCAS itself at fault due to software/design flaw.
None of that precludes pilot error in both incidents.Last edited by pisteoff; 03-18-2019 at 04:42 PM. Reason: bad memory
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03-14-2019, 03:53 PM #48
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03-14-2019, 04:45 PM #49Banned
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And I'm home there should always be a "full system override" so the pilot can do what he/she was trained to do, fly a plane. Maybe someday we will have pilotless planes, and I know computers are a huge part of the system, but the pilot is there for a reason. If they can't even recover due to some plane flaw, well.
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03-14-2019, 05:07 PM #50
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