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    Did you see that hole in the ground the Ethiopian jet made?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Obligatory

    *youtube vid*
    Good old youtube. That wasn't a test flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post


    I often fly in a turbo otter on floats so I asked the pilot why the nose is so long ?

    he said compared to the old radial the turbo has twice the HP and weighs alot less so they had to put the engine out there to balance the plane
    Like this B-17 water tanker that operated in the early 1970's
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    Only Southwest, American and Air Canada use the 737 max in North America, and even then they are only a small percentage of their fleets. And my $0.02 is that the Boeing electrical and computer engineers will have a software patch out by the end of March to fix or disable this new stall prevention feature that appears to be the issue here, and make them like the older 737's
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    Yeah, well, do you want to be on that first beta test flight with the new software?
    I just read a post that the government shutdown delayed the deployment of the software patch/update by 50 days. Russian troll post or fact??
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."
    They do, just in coach...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I just read a post that the government shutdown delayed the deployment of the software patch/update by 50 days. Russian troll post or fact??
    Fact.. a Russian troll was responsible for the government shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."
    Maybe the funniest line in the history of TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Fact.. a Russian troll was responsible for the government shutdown.
    you got that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisteoff View Post
    Good old youtube. That wasn't a test flight.
    No, but the first 5 years of the A320 saw a number of alarming crashes.

    What's alarming, and speculative at this point, about the 737 MAX is the possibility, according to pilots flying in syms, is that even with full trim deflection down the plane doesn't have enough control authority to recover. In other words, in a runaway trim scenario even if the pilot disables the system the trim can still lead into a situation where pilots cannot recover the plane from steep descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, well, do you want to be on that first beta test flight with the new software?
    How many successful flights have been made without incident? If the software patch increases safety I can't see any issue at all. Sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post

    It is suspected but unknown if the Indonesian and Ethiopian crashes are linked, and if so, the suspected link is software. So once they determine a link, cause, patch, and test, the planes will be cleared. The situation is not unprecedented.
    Shit, they will be on hold waiting for tech support for months, then get an Indian guy they can't understand, then once they finally figure it out they will just be told to press, ctrl/alt/delete, but at least that will likely fix the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    Shit, they will be on hold waiting for tech support for months, then get an Indian guy they can't understand, then once they finally figure it out they will just be told to press, ctrl/alt/delete, but at least that will likely fix the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timberridge View Post
    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."
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    Here's a good governing principal for aircraft software design: at no time should the software try to crash the airplane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, well, do you want to be on that first beta test flight with the new software?
    Meh. I would have no qualms asking the pilot and co-pilot up front if they were trained in the new MCAS system, how it responds, and if they knew how to disable it before I sat down.

    And it's not like Boeing is a two bit outfit like Tesla, they'll run it though a couple simulations, the FAA, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, well, do you want to be on that first beta test flight with the new software?
    That reminds me: when I was in the Marines, I politely declined several offers to fly on the 1st gen - V-22 Osprey.
    It makes perfect sense...until you think about it.

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...pact-1.5054535

    a fairly comprehensive artical ^^ 400 plane built and 5000 booked
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/20...2At8me0QW5MbZU

    this^^ is good but pretty long, make sure you read the incidents in blue boxes reported by the pilots
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/20...2At8me0QW5MbZU

    this^^ is good but pretty long, make sure you read the incidents in blue boxes reported by the pilots
    Interesting read
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    That reminds me: when I was in the Marines, I politely declined several offers to fly on the 1st gen - V-22 Osprey.
    Politely declined?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Here's a good governing principal for aircraft software design: at no time should the software try to crash the airplane.
    I feel like this is a solid principal.


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    Just to be clear, trim runaways are not new, nor are they unique to the MAX or even 737s. They are possible on any jet with electric trim assist. On the 737 it's called Runaway Stabilizer, there's a procedure for it in the the QRH (Quick Reference Handbook - for emergency procedures and checklists), and there are stab trim cutout switches. Pilots are trained for this in the sim, and all 737 pilots have the procedure memorized.

    But that isn't the suspected cause of these two max crashes. What is being investigated is the pitot-static and angle of attack sensing systems, and how they might have erroneously (or not) triggered the MCAS (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System) into commanding a nose down stabilizer input, and/or is the MCAS itself at fault due to software/design flaw.

    None of that precludes pilot error in both incidents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    No, but the first 5 years of the A320 saw a number of alarming crashes.
    Alarming how? There were 5 crashes with fatalities in the first 12 years of operation. All but 1 were pilot error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Here's a good governing principal for aircraft software design: at no time should the software try to crash the airplane.
    And I'm home there should always be a "full system override" so the pilot can do what he/she was trained to do, fly a plane. Maybe someday we will have pilotless planes, and I know computers are a huge part of the system, but the pilot is there for a reason. If they can't even recover due to some plane flaw, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Southwest has like 34 currently but has ordered 245 MAX 8 and 40 MAX 9
    Probably counting on them for their new HI service. Maybe they are re-thinking those introductory prices.
    With the money that is being lost, they are working on fix 24/7 I would bet. Well, now they are working on it that hard.

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