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    Patroller dies in OB tree well

    Not strictly avy related, but this seems like a good place for a reminder about tree wells:
    http://mailtribune.com/news/top-stor...ell-suffocated

    RIP
    And I guess that I just don't know

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    That's fucking horrible......RIP
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    Damn. 23 years old. Sad

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    so dangerous on the west coast right now with unconsolidated snow and huge loading from recent huge snow events.
    such a sad story, the young man was just doing his job.
    RIP Johnathan ‘johnny walker’ Likeke.
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    Fuuuckkk...I have that nightmare. I don't even want to imagine. RIP
    It makes perfect sense...until you think about it.

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    23 Sad - catching all the dying going on across just 2 continents.

    I spent 20min upside down in a tree well. Full video - no bueno

    Peace to all that lost friends and loved ones just this season alone.
    "knowledgeable in escapades of the flesh"

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    Shit, RIP that's awful. Young sobering to remember none of this stuff we do for fun is really "safe"

    This is one of my "oh shit" nightmares. I ski alone a lot and this season I've been wearing my avalung in case something like this happened. No idea if I'd be able to use it effectively in this situation, but it probably works better on me than it would if I left it in the car.

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    Vibes

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    wow, they saw that he fell into the well and climbed up to him and still couldn't save him? ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    wow, they saw that he fell into the well and climbed up to him and still couldn't save him? ugh.
    It can happen quickly, 2 years ago people witnessed a guy go in a tree well and got him out reasonably fast and he still didn’t survive on a inbounds run
    “I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”

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    Patroller dies in OB tree well

    One of the worst few minutes of my life was hauling ass up hill in chest deep snow on a seriously steep slope to dig out a buddy. The stair climber of Sisyphus- harder I pushed the slower I seemed to go. Then there is the second guessing- I had skins in my pack, but it’s only 10/15m up hill- surely just post hole it right? Fuck that sucked- ended up ok - but no fun atall
    Last edited by LHutz Esq; 02-22-2019 at 01:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutz Esq View Post
    One of the worst few minutes of my life was hauling ass up hill in chest deep snow on a seriously steep slope to dig out a buddy. The stair climber of Sisyphus- harder I pushed the slower I seemed to go. Then there is the second guessing- I had skins in my pack, but it’s only 10/15m up hill- surely just post hole it right? Fuck that sucked- ended up ok - but no fun atall
    Buddy was in a tree well or a slide burial? That's a terrible feeling, brain racing not sure what the right decision is and time is of the essence. Glad it all turned out ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutz Esq View Post
    One of the worst few minutes of my life was hauling ass up hill in chest deep snow on a seriously steep slope to dig out a buddy. The stair climber of Sisyphus- harder I pushed the slower I seemed to go. Then there is the second guessing- I had skins in my pack, but it’s only 10/15m up hill- surely just post hole it right? Fuck that sucked- ended up ok - but no fun atall
    I think about this a lot, true nightmare scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutz Esq View Post
    One of the worst few minutes of my life was hauling ass up hill in chest deep snow on a seriously steep slope to dig out a buddy. The stair climber of Sisyphus- harder I pushed the slower I seemed to go. Then there is the second guessing- I had skins in my pack, but it’s only 10/15m up hill- surely just post hole it right? Fuck that sucked- ended up ok - but no fun atall
    someone here, I think it was Summit?, mentioned how skiing with a pack/avy gear at a resort can be meaningless if you don't also have skins on you. Which was a very good point. Never occurred to me that having skins still might not be the answer, as it could lead to second guessing like you describe. Not that I would suggest that you're better off without skins, just realizing that they're not a panacea in rescue situations. Yikes.
    "fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    someone here, I think it was Summit?, mentioned how skiing with a pack/avy gear at a resort can be meaningless if you don't also have skins on you. Which was a very good point. Never occurred to me that having skins still might not be the answer, as it could lead to second guessing like you describe. Not that I would suggest that you're better off without skins, just realizing that they're not a panacea in rescue situations. Yikes.
    It's not a very good point with some small exceptions. Skins are not really make-or-break for most in-bound issues. Lifts are there with SP usually on top somewhere. And skins are worthless without the right bindings. Sure they might be handy for some super-deep tree well rescues but I'm not putting them in my inbounds pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowing alpy View Post
    such a sad story, the young man was just doing his job.
    RIP Johnathan ‘johnny walker’ Likeke.
    He would have been skiing just for fun, Mt. Ashland's south side isn't part of the ski area boundaries.
    TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.

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    ^^^ Maybe so, maybe not. I got paid to ski outside the ropes quite a bit.

    Terrain Familiarization is what we labeled it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muted View Post
    It's not a very good point with some small exceptions. Skins are not really make-or-break for most in-bound issues. Lifts are there with SP usually on top somewhere. And skins are worthless without the right bindings. Sure they might be handy for some super-deep tree well rescues but I'm not putting them in my inbounds pack.
    Obviously if you don't have touring bindings, it's pointless. But many people, myself included, am always on bindings that can tour.

    I'd not call them make or break, but I can certainly see including in my kit.
    "fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    ^^^ Maybe so, maybe not. I got paid to ski outside the ropes quite a bit.

    Terrain Familiarization is what we labeled it.
    ^This. Snowpack Analysis too.
    And I guess that I just don't know

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    I fell into tree wells twice in one day at Retallack. With a camera gear loaded backpack. Sucked right in.
    Stay 4-5 feet away from the trees in deep ass fresh when tree skiing.

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    Damn. Vibes. Terrible news.

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