My kid says she was sexually harassed at school.....

[HankScorpio]

Self defense isn’t any of those three things.

Good point.

But as someone who has taught in several public high schools for 11 years, school administration doesn't use self defense as an excuse.

[doebedoe]

Ah. It is so very clear now. You are fucking crazy.

I highly doubt mtngirl's approach is the most effective one in this situation. But her stats, history and reasoning aren't wrong. Her presentation leaves a bit to be desired.

Dismissing women as "crazy" because you disagree with their approach to a situation they have a perspective you can't imagine is a shitty thing to do.

[Danno]

mtgirl is a lot more right in this thread than some of you people seem to realize. Giving her shit for pointing out that a) a story about some guy who was falsely accused is a bullshit thing to post in this thread, and b) that hormones/impulse control is a bullshit excuse, is off base.

Summit, you're usually a smarter more critical thinker than this, maybe stop with the knee jerk reaction to who the poster is and pay attention to what she's posting.

[Danno]

I highly doubt mtngirl's approach is the most effective one in this situation. But her stats, history and reasoning aren't wrong. Her presentation leaves a bit to be desired.

Dismissing women as "crazy" because you disagree with their approach to a situation they have a perspective you can't imagine is a shitty thing to do.

this too

[MontuckyFried]

But as someone who has taught in several public high schools for 11 years, school administration doesn't use self defense as an excuse.

Ah HA! So my premise in post #49 was right! https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...69#post5598169
The school administrations' handling of bullies/harassers is a huge part of the problem. Making the kids more afraid of the law or admin than their attackers. They are wrong in this regard. All they've done is embolden these twerps. Kids be like "Oh yeah? What are you gonna do about it, huh?!"

People want to talk about victim blaming? The schools are LITERALLY doing this every day by condoning the prosecution of victims for defending themselves.

[summit]

I highly doubt mtngirl's approach is the most effective one in this situation. But her stats, history and reasoning aren't wrong. Her presentation leaves a bit to be desired.

Dismissing women as "crazy" because you disagree with their approach to a situation they have a perspective you can't imagine is a shitty thing to do.

I'm not dismissing her because she is a women. Kindly go fuck yourself with a rusty rake, sideways, for implying that I would do such a thing. I call it when I see it and it has nothing to do with sex, nor do people get immunity for their outrageous actions because of their sex. To do so would be sexist.

I am dismissing her because it is fucking crazy to belittle the victimization of one person because another person was victimized in a different way and then use this this illegitimate premise as a launching point for otherwise legitimate points.

You and Danno are sucked into what might be legitimate points she may make after segwaying from her vulgar attacks on Cono Este's child.

That's fucking crazy and it means that no matter how legitimate anything else she posted might have otherwise been, it isn't worth my consideration when brought forward in that manner. Notice I have not disagreed with her points, in fact, I would likely judge them as congruent with my opening post in this thread... except I don't engage in that type of analysis when someone is being a total asshat.

So stop cutting slack to asshats.

[mtngirl79]

Isnt it more vulgar that Cono Este is suggesting Mustonen's daughter could be lying?

Really? Honestly?

Hell. Point proven. 97% of women are telling the truth.

Cono Este suggests Mustonen's daughter is one of the 3 percent of liars.

And his son did nothing wrong... one of the 3 percent of falsely accused.

[HankScorpio]

Ah HA! So my premise in post #49 was right! https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...69#post5598169
The school administrations' handling of bullies/harassers is a huge part of the problem. Making the kids more afraid of the law or admin than their attackers. They are wrong in this regard. All they've done is embolden these twerps. Kids be like "Oh yeah? What are you gonna do about it, huh?!"

People want to talk about victim blaming? The schools are LITERALLY doing this every day by condoning the prosecution of victims for defending themselves.

there is a place for swift justice and a kick to the nuts from a young girl to a young ass grabber is acceptable imo. ymmv butt if my lil G strikes back, i’m fully in her court of defense.

I certainly don't agree with manner in which admin deals with these situations much of the time. Their biggest concern is not getting sued.

But kids have adapted and usual settle those scores off school grounds. Fights are rare in schools, but harassment/bullying is becoming way more common.

[Bobby Stainless]

Kick him in the nuts.

Violence is sometimes the answer.

[Art Shirk]

Kick him in the nuts.

Violence is sometimes the answer.

At the least, proving it happened would require the same same level of proof as the initial ass grab.

[ill-advised strategy]

Isnt it more vulgar that Cono Este is suggesting Mustonen's daughter could be lying?

I didn’t perceive that intent. Seemed to me like Cono este was trying to illustrate how sensitive and volatile these situations can become.

[Danno]

I am dismissing her because it is fucking crazy to belittle the victimization of one person because another person was victimized in a different way and then use this this illegitimate premise as a launching point for otherwise legitimate points.

Maybe you should chew on this one for a while, if you think that fully explains what happened, what Cono said/implied, and what she said/implied. Because like I said before, sure seems like you're having a knee jerk reaction to the poster.

[mtngirl79]

I didn’t perceive that intent. Seemed to me like Cono este was trying to illustrate how sensitive and volatile these situations can become.

Bullshit.

[Danno]

I didn’t perceive that intent. Seemed to me like Cono este was trying to illustrate how sensitive and volatile these situations can become.

I didn't view it that way either. But it also seemed like his post was terribly misplaced given that we have no reason to believe, suspect, or discuss the veracity of Mustonen's daughter's accusation. It happened, so a story of how his son was falsely accused and there was some kind of shit storm because of that just doesn't have much place here. And to use that story as evidence or support for how Mustonen's daughter should not formally accuse her assaulter, as Cono did, definitely leaves Cono's post open to interpretation, including the interpretation that mtgirl gave it.

His boy was falsely accused, so Mustonen's daughter shouldn't formally accuse. It's not hard to see how that could be interpreted exactly the way she did.

[MontuckyFried]

A re-post from the UFC thread, but sometimes swift justice by a female victim is freaking satisfying to see.

Exhibit "A"
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/s...ntl/index.html



Guess who's not gonna be messing with HER again. Lol.

[Timberridge]

Kick him in the nuts.

Violence is sometimes the answer.

It's the simplest and quickest solution.

I dropped a pencil down Lisa Johnson's cleavage in HS. She pulled it out and stabbed me in the hand. Lesson learned.

[ill-advised strategy]

In lieu of nutkicking...
More passive self-defense:
Backcountry.com Azzpadz



Also useful for ski areas with tbars and/or particularly harsh hard plastic seats.

[S_jenks]

In lieu of nutkicking...
More passive self-defense:
Backcountry.com Azzpadz



Also useful for ski areas with tbars and/or particularly harsh hard plastic seats.

Now every seat can be a padded seat!

[summit]

Isnt it more vulgar that Cono Este is suggesting Mustonen's daughter could be lying?

Really? Honestly?

Hell. Point proven. 97% of women are telling the truth.

Cono Este suggests Mustonen's daughter is one of the 3 percent of liars.

And his son did nothing wrong... one of the 3 percent of falsely accused.

Cono did not say nor imply that nor did I read it that way. You created that in your mind with such certainty that rather that confirm your assumption of malintent, you reacted most violently. Crazy is my charitable descriptive of your action. Malicious attention seeking by a misanthrope is a less charitable interpretation.

[Danno]

And Summit continues to double down. It's not a good look for you, just sayin.

[ill-advised strategy]

I didn't view it that way either. But it also seemed like his post was terribly misplaced given that we have no reason to believe, suspect, or discuss the veracity of Mustonen's daughter's accusation. It happened, so a story of how his son was falsely accused and there was some kind of shit storm because of that just doesn't have much place here. And to use that story as evidence or support for how Mustonen's daughter should not formally accuse her assaulter, as Cono did, definitely leaves Cono's post open to interpretation, including the interpretation that mtgirl gave it.

His boy was falsely accused, so Mustonen's daughter shouldn't formally accuse. It's not hard to see how that could be interpreted exactly the way she did.

Totally. I’m just saying that post landed differently on us. It’s a good example of multiple reasonable interpretations of the same input.

[TNKen]

Get a copy of the school policy handbook on sexual harassment and see what the penalties are.
Get a specific time and see if you can get footage of the assault and battery. Yep, that is what it is. An unwanted touching. A crime.
Make sure the school resource officer is in the meeting. He understands assault and battery.
In the meeting see if the kid will admit. If they don't have it, tell him they are reviewing footage.
If he admits or when they find footage, tell the school admin if they don't do some strong, you will.
Be prepared to ask resource officer to prosecute.

We represented a local school board and this crap was almost a daily occurrence with this generation. Too much Porn Hub.

If the school does nothing, take it up the food chain.

Caution. One of my best friends just went through this with a 7th grader who had a cell phone out videoing in the locker room. Parents took it up the food chain raising hell. Ultimately cell phones banned in locker room. Friend's kid now harassed 24-7 because of it. Of course offender was from a red-neck family.

Not saying this is a similar situation, but expect repercussions from wise ass 7th graders.

Option #2---Get daughter to ask around and see who else he has done this to. Surround his ass and kick appropriately.

[summit]

seems like you're having a knee jerk reaction to the poster.

I confess to carrying forward with the exhaustion of my generous tolerance for BS that she achieved with her great past efforts only after she reconfirmed it in this thread.

Of course that doesn't mean I agree with Cono's advice, which was: use great caution in going to the authorities as real life lessons learned from an entirely different set of circumstances (one falsely accuses many with unlikely circumstances vs many accuse one with likely circumstances) can result in unanticipated social fallout. I agreed with Mustonen's plan to go to the admin because he already exhausted a reasonable attempt at private resolution.

[ill-advised strategy]

Watching these threads develop is like watching a pow day turn into crud, then crud turn into moguls.

[mtngirl79]

Cono did not say nor imply that nor did I read it that way. You created that in your mind with such certainty that rather that confirm your assumption of malintent, you reacted most violently. Crazy is my charitable descriptive of your action. Malicious attention seeking by a misanthrope is a less charitable interpretation.

Cono's story in this conversation is a suggestion of lying. It plants the seed. We all hear about those falsely accused (or claiming false accusations) but we dont hear about all those girls told boys will be boys with their raging hormones and lack of impulse control...

Cono suggested Mustonen have his daughter not report the boy and told a story of a girl lying.