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    Quote Originally Posted by mall walker View Post
    inbounds? lol
    Yes, inbounds at the local ski hill.

    I could not believe it but it was a powder day, 9" boot deep, and we wasted no further time on it.

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    This phenomenon has been going on since the Marker Duke. For every 20 sets of Marker Dukes you saw on the chairlift, maybe 1 of those people even knew how to put them in tour mode. The thing with the Duke though was people still used real alpine boots and the binding actually skied like an alpine binding with elasticity and a reliable DIN release. I now cringe when I see these same types of people on tech bindings in-bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    I have nothing to add to this landmark thread other than, this is exactly how it came up on the app, on my phone...

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    Caught this at the same moment / post on my phone and got a pretty good laugh out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angler99 View Post
    This phenomenon has been going on since the Marker Duke. For every 20 sets of Marker Dukes you saw on the chairlift, maybe 1 of those people even knew how to put them in tour mode. The thing with the Duke though was people still used real alpine boots and the binding actually skied like an alpine binding with elasticity and a reliable DIN release. I now cringe when I see these same types of people on tech bindings in-bounds.
    Yeah.... had one of these types come in last year with a heavy ass pair of liberty 120something underfoots, beat to shit old scarpas, and Kingpins. He was brand new to touring, and his buddy said that this would be a killer, do-everything, BC/Resort setup (his words, not mine). And to top all that nonsense off, he claimed to have never skied anything fatter than 95. Couldn't convince him that maybe a frame binding, or something else entirely might be better for him, because his "buddy who tours every weekend" told him this was the right stuff. I guess you just cant help everyone, sometimes better to just wish them luck

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    I am actually glad all these people are at the ski areas. The backcountry might get crowded at least the parking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACH View Post
    I have nothing to add to this landmark thread other than, this is exactly how it came up on the app, on my phone...

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    perfectly encapsulating the thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFD View Post
    I am actually glad all these people are at the ski areas. The backcountry might get crowded at least the parking.
    they now park at the ski area to tour
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    Quote Originally Posted by angler99 View Post
    This phenomenon has been going on since the Marker Duke. For every 20 sets of Marker Dukes you saw on the chairlift, maybe 1 of those people even knew how to put them in tour mode. The thing with the Duke though was people still used real alpine boots and the binding actually skied like an alpine binding with elasticity and a reliable DIN release. I now cringe when I see these same types of people on tech bindings in-bounds.
    Iíd rather ski Tectons inbounds than Marker Dukes and their massive stack height. Not joking even a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Skinning out of bounds is equally quick, just as good of a workout, results in skiing pow, and doesn't involve going in the opposite direction as out of control gapers.

    I'm sticking with my slant.
    Not even close to as quick at least in my case but I live in a ski town and the resort is much closer than the nearest tour. I also skin before/after work so the lifts are closed. No gapers. If you want to die on this hill go right ahead but you have an objectively bad take here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    Not even close to as quick at least in my case but I live in a ski town close to the hill. I also skin before/after work so the lifts are closed. No gapers. If you want to die on this hill go right ahead but you have an objectively bad take here.
    I live in a ski town too. If I want a quick skin, I bump up the lift and go walk around in the side country. Or I just walk up the hill next to the resort that's not inbounds.

    Walking uphill to ski down a groomer is a waste of effort. But by all means, keep doing it. More pow for me.

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    First of all to the OP, I think there is only one person in Fernie who has "low techs" (race style bindings), but she would be skiing tele at the resort.

    I too have pointed out locked out toes to people (an also unlocked toes on the UP!), typically someone who can ski all the terrain at the hill, but also isn't hucking so shouldn't be prereleasing. But they say they walk out of their bindings all the time. Bindings are supposed to work, clean out those toe sockets, make sure the pin gap is set properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    I live in a ski town too. If I want a quick skin, I bump up the lift and go walk around in the side country. Or I just walk up the hill next to the resort that's not inbounds.

    Walking uphill to ski down a groomer is a waste of effort. But by all means, keep doing it. More pow for me.
    What if I'm alone and want to skin a lot of vert for exercise? Different purposes. If you're aware of a tour in Aspen within walking distance of downtown where I can do 3,200 vertical of uphill in 90 minutes, and upon completion of said uphill be back to my office in about 10 minutes please share!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    What if I'm alone and want to skin a lot of vert for exercise? Different purposes. If you're aware of a tour in Aspen within walking distance of downtown where I can do 3,200 vertical of uphill in 90 minutes, and upon completion of said uphill be back to my office in about 10 minutes please share!
    If you can't find a place to walk uphill that's not inbounds, then you either need to look harder or perhaps find a better ski town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    What if I'm alone and want to skin a lot of vert for exercise? Different purposes. If you're aware of a tour in Aspen within walking distance of downtown where I can do 3,200 vertical of uphill in 90 minutes, and upon completion of said uphill be back to my office in about 10 minutes please share!
    I'm with you on this. Once a week, typically Wednesday mornings, I hike our local hill at about 6:45, 1,500' of vert, ski the groomer down (since there's reliably never any pow there) and proceed to work. It's a great way to start the day. I don't ski there the rest of the time and just do it because it beats the hell out of working out in my basement daily.

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    I understand the quick workout thing, but I tend to gravitate towards what Toast is saying. Seems crazy to me to ski down a groomer when you can be just as safe (and have more fun) meadow skipping some off piste / soft snow. The only time I've ever skinned up a groomer was at Sugar Bowl (before the lifts were spinning) to then drop outside the boundary and ski some powder. I will say, skinning up the groomed ascent was nice and efficient but if it's about exercise you have to skin a lot more vert on a groomer to get the same workout IMO.

    I would never, ever want to skin up at a resort with people coming down at the same time. No thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    What if I'm alone and want to skin a lot of vert for exercise? Different purposes. If you're aware of a tour in Aspen within walking distance of downtown where I can do 3,200 vertical of uphill in 90 minutes, and upon completion of said uphill be back to my office in about 10 minutes please share!
    and is as safe from an avy perspective. This is key.

    Don't get me wrong -- a real tour is *always* better than skinning inbounds: it's more fun, it's a better workout, more solitude, etc. But you can't beat the convenience of skinning inbounds. And skinning is much better preparation for skinning than anything else (running, cycling, gym, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    If you can't find a place to walk uphill that's not inbounds
    I never said that, sick straw man though. I said there are no tours where I can do 3,200' alone, very quickly, safely (i.e. not in avy terrain), within walking distance of my home or office. This entire discussion about why someone would ever skin at the ski area was predicated on convenience and exercise, remember?????

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    and is as safe from an avy perspective. This is key.
    Absolutely. Left that part out because it's implied in this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiitsbetter View Post
    First of all to the OP, I think there is only one person in Fernie who has "low techs" (race style bindings), but she would be skiing tele at the resort.

    I too have pointed out locked out toes to people (an also unlocked toes on the UP!), typically someone who can ski all the terrain at the hill, but also isn't hucking so shouldn't be prereleasing. But they say they walk out of their bindings all the time. Bindings are supposed to work, clean out those toe sockets, make sure the pin gap is set properly.
    Not always true. When i had the dynafit radicals a few years ago, i was on a moderate blue slope, carved a turn really hard and next i knew was in the air with one ski only.

    I had a hematoma on my hip for 8 weeks.

    I got rid of these, as i couldn't trust them in no fall zones

    I now have g3 ions and Salomon mtn bindings, and i never prereleased

    I weigh 175 and the g3 is at 11, the mtn has the expert spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney View Post
    I never said that, sick straw man though. I said there are no tours where I can do 3,200' alone, very quickly, safely (i.e. not in avy terrain), within walking distance of my home or office. This entire discussion about why someone would ever skin at the ski area was predicated on convenience and exercise, remember?????



    Absolutely. Left that part out because it's implied in this discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I understand the quick workout thing, but I tend to gravitate towards what Toast is saying. Seems crazy to me to ski down a groomer when you can be just as safe (and have more fun) meadow skipping some off piste / soft snow. The only time I've ever skinned up a groomer was at Sugar Bowl (before the lifts were spinning) to then drop outside the boundary and ski some powder. I will say, skinning up the groomed ascent was nice and efficient but if it's about exercise you have to skin a lot more vert on a groomer to get the same workout IMO.

    I would never, ever want to skin up at a resort with people coming down at the same time. No thanks.
    Part of this is that at the local hill, there's a prescribed early morning route that doesn't interfere with any other skiers since the mountain's not open yet. As for meadow skipping in soft snow, there generally isn't any since that aspect is always wind-blown shit. As I mentioned, this is a Wednesday morning deal with 45 minutes up, transition out of skins, about 3 minutes down a groomer and on my way off the mountain within an hour. I do my touring on Saturday afternoons after my main hill is chewed up. That's a different deal altogether.

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    Serious question toast: Do you work a typical 9-5 type job? If so, how many days a week on average do you tour solo before or after work?

    Because almost everybody I know who is really fit while working a 9-5, skins inbounds before or after work several times during their work week and tours for real on their days off. Maybe I just don't know the right people, but I find it interesting that almost all of them choose to skin inbounds for the convenience, with the occasional real midweek tour if they can get to the office a bit later or leave a bit earlier.
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    FWIW, I skin one day a week for the exercise, inbounds as noted. I head to Schweitzer Thurs nights and ski 3 days there with Sat afternoons for touring for about 4 hours. The reason for the local hike on Wed is strictly for the exercise to help me be better for Saturdays with my buddies. That's what works for me and is certainly location and job dependent. YMMV depending on where you live, when you work, and what your purposes are. To each their own.

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    I certainly see some uphillers at resorts and totally get the exercise thing. Makes sense. But I also see a ton of dudes riding lifts on top of the line skimo gear DPS on icy/crusty days. It's an interesting play given the effort to get to the local hill to ski on that shit, but I guess you got to get your setup dialed. my dad still rips the lifts on his salomon F9 skis, F9 rear entry boots, onepeice 80s bogner and DGAF. I say let the players play

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    For the love of Ullr stop skiing your low tech bindings at the resort!

    Just finished up a day of skiing Heavenly on my Kingpins. The snow was very light and there was 3-6 feet of it. Heavenly took forever to open lifts and unofficially allows skinning inbounds. I was with my friend who didnít have his backcountry gear but skinning would have made our day much better, including less waiting in line.

    Also, the snow was so deep that usual hikes were not in play because post holing was exhausting. With skins, they would be no problem and they would have yielded some awesome skiing.

    Long story short, from side country to skinning in bounds while resorts try to open lifts (not do avy control), I am finding more reasons to ski tech bindings on powder days if you donít get big air. That being said, without these two caveats an alpine binding is the way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
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    Jesus, you live in a black and white world that is devoid of any thought that doesn't match what you already believe.

    In my immediately (before work time frame) accessible area, the touring, and the ski resort start at low elevations. In bad years, and in early season, people who want to skin before work, can either start on man made snow and skin up the resort, or they can walk on dry ground through scrub oak for an hour or so to get to "skiable" snow.

    But I guess they should just move?

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