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02-01-2019, 08:42 AM #1Registered User
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Guerilla Gravity- now Carbon made in USA- 300% stronger, cheaper
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/gueril...ailpistol.html
GG switching front triangle to carbon, rear will still be AL. Some interesting other details too.
As an owner of an older aluminum Megatrail which I love, I am a little surprised by the switch, but their process seems solid. They are claiming 300% stronger due to using a different resin, and keeping their price point lower than most competitors. I'll probably let some other early adopters test them out for a year or two before I buy one though.
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02-01-2019, 08:46 AM #2
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02-01-2019, 08:57 AM #3
Carbon aside, I think the general premise of having one front triangle and changing the rear triangle to significantly alter the bike is a good one. Let's you have two very different bikes for the price of a rear triangle and a fork.
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02-01-2019, 09:03 AM #4
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02-01-2019, 09:09 AM #7yelgatgab
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Looks like there's a 5mm stroke difference for same-length shocks.
Also looks like you have some choice in chainstay length. Shred chainstays with Megatrail seatstays, for example.Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.
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02-01-2019, 09:10 AM #8yelgatgab
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02-01-2019, 09:16 AM #9Registered User
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So there's a drunk unicorn in the framemaker 3000, and I would have thought that they'd use Leopold Brother's whiskey. Keep it local bra!
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02-01-2019, 09:17 AM #10
Definitely interesting to see someone make a USA-made carbon bike for a reasonable price. Although I'll miss the ability to buy a USA-made bike for $3000 now that they've seemingly discontinued the aluminum line. 6.5lb frame isn't exactly light but I get that's not what they're going for either.
It sucks to suck.
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02-01-2019, 09:20 AM #11
The frames look like they drop about a pound from aluminum ones. Most plastic bikes I've ridden (the good ones at least that don't sound like popping fibers in g-outs) seem about that realm.
They've still got some aluminum bikes in stock. I asked. Act now.
That's the big question isn't it? Patent pending. Mystery for now.Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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02-01-2019, 09:26 AM #12
Getting a little tired of these unsupported claims X% stronger! Y% lighter! With our amazing new resin we increased rigidity by Z% and 300% more impact resistant cutting 3.1 seconds off your Strava time even after you smash into a tree! Then sell it after 2 seasons because it's now outdated. Here's what I think:
Or you can spend that money on a custom steel frame from a US builder and have it for 10+ years.
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02-01-2019, 09:34 AM #13
go nuts
https://ridegg.com/pedalheadBesides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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02-01-2019, 09:34 AM #14
Is the 300% more impact resistant claim legit? I dunno, but the GG guys are definitely the type of riders that break bikes so I'm pretty sure they're not going to produce a flimsy POS.
6.5lb is a full pound lighter than a Transition carbon frame (a company with a similar suspension design and similarly known for being burly frames).
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02-01-2019, 09:41 AM #15
The 300% stuff is from the material/process specs, not them just making shit up.
It's not the same epoxy layup as conventional carbon fiber so it doesn't chip like that, and doesn't fatigue the same way. There's not a company out there that hates bike industry marketing BS as much as those guys so they're not going to just pull something out of their ass like that. They save that for the model names.Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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02-01-2019, 09:47 AM #16
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02-01-2019, 09:55 AM #18yelgatgab
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02-01-2019, 09:56 AM #19
I'm curious to read real-world reviews on the practicality and usefulness of switching rear triangles (and shock, and fork) to have multiple bikes with one front triangle. It's pretty sweet in concept, but will anyone take advantage of it in the real world? If it works, then it's a pretty great idea by GG since they'll have customers buying into a "system" and not just a single bike.
That said, if it's too much of a PITA to swap over (ie., if it's something that requires special tools or if it's more than the average rider can handle in their home shop), then it's just another cool concept without much merit. I hope it's the former, as it's a super cool idea and I'd love to see the GG kill it in the coming years.
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02-01-2019, 09:58 AM #20
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02-01-2019, 09:59 AM #21
Switching rear triangles requires some specialty tools: allen wrenches. Make sure you're trained.
This isn't new, the frames they've been making the last 3 years have been the same front triangle with the same interchanging rears. They just didn't advertise it.
Also, specialized used to do this with their frames in the late 90s early 2000s. I made some interesting half breeds. Intense was similar too.Besides the comet that killed the dinosaurs nothing has destroyed a species faster than entitled white people.-ajp
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02-01-2019, 10:14 AM #22
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02-01-2019, 11:11 AM #24
Kudos for innovation on something where everyone else in the industry is just following the herd and making carbon frames in china, etc and "innovating" by inventing different wheel spacings to make it hard to buy parts for a 2 year old bike.
Stuff like this eventually leads to better, and lower cost bikes.
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02-01-2019, 11:34 AM #25
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