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03-20-2020, 01:19 PM #1251Banned
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Exposure always puts me on edge for sure. It's always in your head. If you aren't scared, I'd be more worried.
Nice job as always.
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03-20-2020, 01:42 PM #1252Registered User
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03-20-2020, 02:17 PM #1253
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03-20-2020, 03:01 PM #1254Registered User
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03-20-2020, 03:10 PM #1255
There is the "Steeps Camp" at Jackson.
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
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03-26-2020, 12:05 PM #1256
As cool as Cody’s truck is, I now definitely want an episode on Bjarne’s rig. That van looks amazeballs.
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03-26-2020, 01:03 PM #1257
Whippets are significantly more useful on the up than the down. I've seen one person successfully self arrest with one. They're reassuring to have when booting super steep snow because they give you a bit of an anchor at chest level. None of that compares to how great they are at hooking trees or rocks to pull through particularly heinous sections of skintrack. Lots of uptracks in the Wasatch go from dreadful to fun once you start grabbing things 4' away and hand-over-hand your way up the whippet...
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03-26-2020, 01:25 PM #1258
I always thought whippets were only for the up.
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03-26-2020, 01:37 PM #1259
The little fireplace alone makes it way more compelling to me. No wonder Bjarne starts off his early morning interviews with "how'd you sleep?" or "how are you feeling?" Cody is likely fucking freezing as he gets ready, even with the propane heater, while Bjarne is probably toasty in the van.
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03-26-2020, 01:52 PM #1260Registered User
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They're useful on the down too. Like self belaying when you have to sideslip some gnar or when you have to ski cut a small pocket of wind slab, like Cody did in the Shuksan episode. Personally, I'd have busted out a rope for that duty, if I had one handy. Not a spot to take an unexpected slide, even a small one. And an axe ain't gonna save you either if you lose an edge on bulletproof ice and don't get your pick planted immediately. Just having it in hand ain't no guarantee of success. Most people have never even practiced arresting in truly difficult conditions, which is the exact arrest scenario you might face when skiing this type of line. Situational awareness is tough in those situations.
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03-26-2020, 01:58 PM #1261
Good points. I’ve watched a friend slide a long portion of a hard pack couloir because he could get his self-arrest steeze going fast enough. Physically, he turned out ok (lucky!).
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03-26-2020, 05:25 PM #1262
Yeah but that's the exact situation I described which makes you more insecure because you're leaning so far in on the slope, away from your edges and onto a pick that will only hold weight in the most hard snow of situations. Putting your hand into the snow, to place your whippet leads to more insecurity and it is insecurity on a pick that only holds a fall in very limited snow type situations. They're crutches for the unconfident that then put people in body positions that make them feel even more unconfident. There is a reason you never see whippets in the hands of the most bad ass steep skiers...but they always have axes.
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03-26-2020, 05:32 PM #1263
I've never liked the thought of a whippet for the down. Just seems potentially dangerous, but I've never thought of it as a crutch until you mentioned that. Makes total sense.
I assume you are not leashed to the axe as that seems dangerous as well.
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03-26-2020, 05:43 PM #1265
Guess you can add me to the camp of Wasatch skiers that find whippets useful on the up. Everything Cody says makes sense though. Thinking back to a line I skied a few weeks ago where I self-belated with a whippet at the top of a chute, I probably would have been more comfortable just down climbing without bending that far over to use the whippet, in hindsight.
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03-26-2020, 05:46 PM #1266Registered User
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03-26-2020, 05:53 PM #1267Registered User
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03-26-2020, 06:24 PM #1268
I like to figure 4 dry tooling with my whippets, with skis a-framed on my stuffed multi-day pack
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03-26-2020, 06:41 PM #1269Registered User
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03-26-2020, 06:52 PM #1270User
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Ha, this is timely, Noah Howell posted a link on his Gram from when he skied 'Plinko.' Spoiler alert; he used whippets.
https://noahhowell.com/2010/11/24/plinko/
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03-27-2020, 04:06 AM #1271
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03-27-2020, 08:03 AM #1272
That Shuksan episode is my fave thus far. gripping, gritty... started off thinking "I wonder if I could ski that" and quickly ramped to "holy fuck I would die skiing that". as always the intentional editing to include the decision making really added a great dimension. Thanks Cody
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03-27-2020, 10:28 AM #1273
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03-27-2020, 02:45 PM #1274
The FIFTY
Rick Wyatt, at his (Noah’s) age, probably would not have used a rope and been on tele skis.
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03-27-2020, 03:19 PM #1275
Haha. Yeah definitely not claiming any status.... yet . Half the lines in the book still don't even add up to one serious Cham line. No all this knowledge is a little from experience and a lot from being out in the field with people far more bad-ass, experienced and thoughtful about gear than I.
I do agree with you, on the way up, there are uses, namely like I said, steep sidehill skinning on sketchy hardpack. But those situations are limited enough where I don't feel the need to carry a pokey pole around all day. One of my ice axes weighs 30 grams more than the whippet attachment and considering how much more use you get out of an axe than a whippet, well then that's why I bring an axe.
I get there is a camp that loves them and believes in them for sure. I'm just from another camp simply because the one thing that scares me about them is seeing people lean into the hill, unweighting their edges and then becoming more insecure and unconfident on their skis in no-fall terrain while relying on an anchor piece that isn't as trust worthy as an axe plunged 55cm into the snow.
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