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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    Guessing, but I'd wager that mikeyb was just glad that Cody emphasized going through the proper permitting process before filming and (maybe mostly) NOT flying drones where you are not supposed to.

    As for the legal argument, here's the USFS definition of commercial filming: "Commercial filming is defined as use of motion picture, videotaping, sound-recording, or any other type of moving image or audio recording equipment on National Forest System lands that involves the advertisement of a product or service, the creation of a product for sale, and/or the use of actors, models, sets, or props, but not including activities associated with broadcasting breaking news. For purposes of this definition, creation of a product for sale includes a film, videotape, television broadcast, or documentary of historic events, wildlife, natural events, features, subjects or participants in a sporting or recreation event, and so forth, when created for the purpose of generating income (FSH 2709.11 2008-2 (CH 40))."

    That leaves a lot of interpretation to the permit administrator(s)...and they just need to convince those folks. I like the work-around they came up with. Unlike Dav's film, for which they did not get permits before filming AND (more importantly) the film was made to be sold, this video is just made to be shared and not sold. Nifty.

    Dav's story: https://www.wildsnow.com/519/us-fore...teeners-movie/
    Thanks for the great explanation. Just another example of laws not keeping with technology. Not sure about the shared vs sold argument. Shared in my book is the same as sold. Think about it, if I went 30 years ago to a national park with a camcorder, filmed a “movie” and “sold” it to my friends I wouldn’t need a permit. This is the equivalent to me sharing my video or movie with a few friends. Now, if I am a you tuber with 5 million subscribers and come to a National Park with a film crew to “share” my trip, then according to your logic I don’t need a permit. Never mind that the video gets 10 million views and makes $30k which gets paid to my LLC.

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    Speaking of sponsors, does swatch give you any retro looking pop swatches? It’d be a good/fun occasional accent to the clothing steeze.

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    i rarely watch ski movies
    but i looked forward to your weds vid drops all season and will continue to do so next season. rock on++++

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    I love these episodes. They are really great.

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    Back from a couple weeks internet hiatus and checking in after posting the vid and ditching the digital age for the past couple weeks. So to address the permit situation, it is a really tricky game that is open to a lot of personal interpretation on the behalf of individuals within the parks and national forest service systems. There are a few things I've presented and my primary argument for it being "non-commercial." First and foremost, I make zero money as a producer of the project and make sure there are no ads in front of the videos on YT. As a part of that, I absolutely make sure to not advertise, promote or talk about the products I use from the sponsors that support me to influence any sort of commercial outcome within the episodes (that's only in the bonus episodes which take place in my garage). Second, the filming cannot take place in another location (for obvious reasons), which is a requirement of being granted permits. Third, we are a tiny crew, have no impact on the parks, land, or other guests within the parks and land. Fourth, we are promoting the land and parks in a way that is in accordance with the values of the parks and national forest service land. These are pretty much the four things I've presented to Grand Teton NP, Banff NP, Inyo NF, Mount Rainier NP, etc...and they've all granted me to ability to film on public land. Some have required permits and registrations, some have not. That's where the personal discretion comes in. Sure, there are a lot of counter arguments that you could make but so far, the gov't officials have all given me approval on these grounds, have received links to the episodes and have all been quite easy to work with. So while internet warriors in comment feeds make think it's not appropriate, they do and that's all that matters. All in all, I wouldn't be able to make these and share them if they didn't give me that approval.

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    I don't think this has been anywhere but as a flash video on my site but youtube readily accepts .flv's now so here it is. Cody's first run was at 4:50 and his second finished the skiing segment. Elyse took second in the womens and Ralph Backstrom took first for the snowboarders. Might take some of the sting off the summer doldrums
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
    Back from a couple weeks internet hiatus and checking in after posting the vid and ditching the digital age for the past couple weeks. So to address the permit situation, it is a really tricky game that is open to a lot of personal interpretation on the behalf of individuals within the parks and national forest service systems. There are a few things I've presented and my primary argument for it being "non-commercial." First and foremost, I make zero money as a producer of the project and make sure there are no ads in front of the videos on YT. As a part of that, I absolutely make sure to not advertise, promote or talk about the products I use from the sponsors that support me to influence any sort of commercial outcome within the episodes (that's only in the bonus episodes which take place in my garage). Second, the filming cannot take place in another location (for obvious reasons), which is a requirement of being granted permits. Third, we are a tiny crew, have no impact on the parks, land, or other guests within the parks and land. Fourth, we are promoting the land and parks in a way that is in accordance with the values of the parks and national forest service land. These are pretty much the four things I've presented to Grand Teton NP, Banff NP, Inyo NF, Mount Rainier NP, etc...and they've all granted me to ability to film on public land. Some have required permits and registrations, some have not. That's where the personal discretion comes in. Sure, there are a lot of counter arguments that you could make but so far, the gov't officials have all given me approval on these grounds, have received links to the episodes and have all been quite easy to work with. So while internet warriors in comment feeds make think it's not appropriate, they do and that's all that matters. All in all, I wouldn't be able to make these and share them if they didn't give me that approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
    Back from a couple weeks internet hiatus and checking in after posting the vid and ditching the digital age for the past couple weeks. So to address the permit situation, it is a really tricky game that is open to a lot of personal interpretation on the behalf of individuals within the parks and national forest service systems. There are a few things I've presented and my primary argument for it being "non-commercial." First and foremost, I make zero money as a producer of the project and make sure there are no ads in front of the videos on YT. As a part of that, I absolutely make sure to not advertise, promote or talk about the products I use from the sponsors that support me to influence any sort of commercial outcome within the episodes (that's only in the bonus episodes which take place in my garage). Second, the filming cannot take place in another location (for obvious reasons), which is a requirement of being granted permits. Third, we are a tiny crew, have no impact on the parks, land, or other guests within the parks and land. Fourth, we are promoting the land and parks in a way that is in accordance with the values of the parks and national forest service land. These are pretty much the four things I've presented to Grand Teton NP, Banff NP, Inyo NF, Mount Rainier NP, etc...and they've all granted me to ability to film on public land. Some have required permits and registrations, some have not. That's where the personal discretion comes in. Sure, there are a lot of counter arguments that you could make but so far, the gov't officials have all given me approval on these grounds, have received links to the episodes and have all been quite easy to work with. So while internet warriors in comment feeds make think it's not appropriate, they do and that's all that matters. All in all, I wouldn't be able to make these and share them if they didn't give me that approval.
    I apologize if you believe that I'm the "internet warrior" you referenced, and interpreted my comment as saying you shouldn't get the permits. That wasn't my intention; I just asked a question since the topic was raised, and I appreciate the explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    I apologize if you believe that I'm the "internet warrior" you referenced, and interpreted my comment as saying you shouldn't get the permits. That wasn't my intention; I just asked a question since the topic was raised, and I appreciate the explanation.
    Oh damn no was a referring to anyone on the boards, much less yourself, with the internet warrior comment. Mainly referring to YT comment feeds. This being my first foray into the world of YT has shown me what a cesspool the comment section on YT can be. I've been very quick and liberal with my use of the delete and block buttons this season.

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    Lot vids have the comments turned off due to the negative BS. It's a shame as there are some with positive things to say or legitimate questions.
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    This thread sucks ass in the off season. Let it die. Bring it back next year. In the meantime have a bowl of crybaby soup ya giant pussy.
    Go on Now
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    This thread sucks ass in the off season. Let it die. Bring it back next year. In the meantime have a bowl of crybaby soup ya giant pussy.
    Go on Now
    Sucks when you involve yourself so righteously in a thread.
    You are one rude mofo.
    There is no "off" season on some of these lines.
    Go on Now, whiner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    This thread sucks ass in the off season. Let it die. Bring it back next year. In the meantime have a bowl of crybaby soup ya giant pussy.
    Go on Now
    It isn't the off-season. Pics below posted today in the Colorado conditions thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    Sucks when you involve yourself so righteously in a thread.
    You are one rude mofo.
    There is no "off" season on some of these lines.
    Go on Now, whiner...
    So kore!
    There is no “off” season on some of these lines. Wow, that’s gold.
    Thread delivers, keep bringing the laughs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telefreewasatch View Post
    Sucks when you involve yourself so righteously in a thread.
    You are one rude mofo.
    There is no "off" season on some of these lines.
    Go on Now, whiner...
    Agreed. We love the thread Cody too bad you cant block delete this clown buttache

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    It’s just skiing for fucks sake. So many navel gazers.
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    Still plenty of skiing here in the Sierra... feels like MTB season but so many trails are still buried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
    Mainly referring to YT comment feeds. This being my first foray into the world of YT has shown me what a cesspool the comment section on YT can be. I've been very quick and liberal with my use of the delete and block buttons this season.
    I have 40+ DIY vids on YouTube (1.5 million views/year) and I stopped bothering checking or responding to the comments years ago. Just let the trolls troll and fuck 'em. Instead put a link to your Facebook page in the video description and tell people that's how you can be contacted with comments/questions. This prevents YouTube dbags from hiding behind a screen name and you will pretty much get only legit feedback.

    BTW I make a good chunk of change each month off those vids...kinda too bad you can't monetize them due to permit/commercialization issues. Maybe you can figure out a workaround in the future (like when the proj is over and the authorities have forgotten about it). Your vids are going to generate a lot of views for years to come. Seems crazy you can't have YT put ads on there and share the revenue with you just because of bullshit regs.

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    ^^ YouTube comments are literally the worst. That's a great suggestion about the facebook (or instagram) page link.

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    Youtube comments are right up there with online versions of local newspapers and the cesspool of discourse that shows up there.

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    Don't ever read the comments. Important rule of thumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    Don't ever read the comments. Important rule of thumb.
    I made this a new year's resolution... and I've tried so hard with a few slip-ups. My god, it's just a shit-show of despair for the human species.

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    daym I just found out about this series, and binge watched like 20 episodes in a row until 4am last night. ended up down the rabbit hole with bonus videos and some weird old backcountry clips that youtube recommended.
    I haven't watched a ski movie in 5+ years, cause they're boring as shit, but these have me 1000% stoked for next winter. don't have as big mountains in Japanland, but keen to get out touring more than 1 day a week now.

    be interesting to find out how much footage goes to chop shop to produce each episode and the general production feedback/process, perhaps he mentioned it on other media? they seem to do a really good job. hours become only a few seconds in any amateur clips ive tried to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    I have 40+ DIY vids on YouTube (1.5 million views/year) and I stopped bothering checking or responding to the comments years ago. Just let the trolls troll and fuck 'em. Instead put a link to your Facebook page in the video description and tell people that's how you can be contacted with comments/questions. This prevents YouTube dbags from hiding behind a screen name and you will pretty much get only legit feedback.

    BTW I make a good chunk of change each month off those vids...kinda too bad you can't monetize them due to permit/commercialization issues. Maybe you can figure out a workaround in the future (like when the proj is over and the authorities have forgotten about it). Your vids are going to generate a lot of views for years to come. Seems crazy you can't have YT put ads on there and share the revenue with you just because of bullshit regs.
    That is a good suggestion. Though I do actually dig responding to people with legitimate questions and legit criticism. So it's a balance for sure. But over a decade on this forum and I've learned pretty easily how to deal with the trolls...plus I find it fun to hit the block button.

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