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04-06-2019, 10:04 AM #326
I would say more than anything, the direct human-to-human contact gave me more control of the situation. With a PLB, I just had a gut feeling that I wouldn't be able to translate the urgency in an efficient manner to the correct people. I also mentally timed it out and as you implied, the time I lost getting to cell service would be made up by the rapid coordination of multiple parties to come out for the rescue. If we were further out, no doubt would I have hit the SOS button and tried to coordinate a rescue from the field.
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04-06-2019, 10:08 AM #327
Yeah, I've heard this too. I took my first WFR class almost a decade ago so stuff like this wasn't taught...even in re-certs. Though I mentioned C-Spine in the video, I was also thinking about snapped femurs, dislocated hips and all that. More than anything I mainly knew that Bjarne and I would be very inefficient at moving him out of the field, even if it was a self-supported evacuation. Remember, we only could see him through the screen of a drone, so had no real good diagnosis of what was going on, only that hie was alive and severely injured. With time running out, if we chose to both go up there and it was worse than we thought from the drone photos, we could've ended up killing him.
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04-06-2019, 10:09 AM #328
Thanks for the post Fenris, this is super important info. A more detailed version of stuff I've learned over the years that helped influence that decision on that day.
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04-06-2019, 10:23 AM #329
Regarding the drone it would be interesting to see what kind of applications are being developed to use drones to receive and transmit vital statistics from someone hurt in the field. It seems like there is a huge potential for both search AND rescue operations.
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04-06-2019, 10:40 AM #330
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04-06-2019, 10:41 AM #331Registered User
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Alpine threadworks makes a couple pieces of very light weight rescue gear that might be worth looking at, designed and sewn by a guide I met & skied with this season
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04-06-2019, 10:43 AM #332
The FIFTY
Garmin did an inreach webinar with someone from the inreach product team and someone from GEOS a couple months ago that’s informative. Basically what was posted above by fenris is the cliff’s notes of it.
It was helpful to understand exactly what happens with the device and with the responders in emergency mode. Basically you’re going to be texting with GEOS for a while and it’s going to take a few hours at best before someone can get to you. So either be prepared to spend the night on any activity or plan to finish with hours of daylight to spare.
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04-06-2019, 10:45 AM #333
The link isn’t working for some reason. But google “garmin inreach webinar” and you’ll find it.
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04-06-2019, 11:23 AM #334Registered User
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Who's so they guy was solo? No spooked friends up top?
Again thanks for the series. I really like the format.
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04-06-2019, 11:30 AM #335Registered User
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I had slept on this for a while but I got linked to the bonus episode from a ski buddy, and that led me to watching the rest of the episodes. I'm sure it's already been said plenty in this thread, but all of the episodes are incredibly well done. I've never been one to get into Youtube series but this one has me hooked. Looking forward to the rest of the episodes!
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04-06-2019, 07:21 PM #336
Great discussion all around on the rescue. There is no manual for every possible situation, all you can do is make the best choices with the info/training/gear available. Seems like lots of correct choices were made in this instance.
Meanwhile, nice work yesterday on what will forever be one of my favorite lines on the planet. Seems like the neighboring peak should have great conditions for the next couple of days as well.
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04-06-2019, 07:29 PM #337Registered User
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They are not always accurate. A couple years ago we came across a climber that fell while trad climbing in the back country. We called 911 and the GPS location 911 got from our phone was over 10 miles away from our actual location. Also most 911 operators are not trained for backcountry situations. It took search and rescue about 5 hours to get to our location and about 12 hours from the time of the accident before he was out of the backcountry and on his way to the hospital.
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04-06-2019, 07:38 PM #338
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04-07-2019, 02:35 AM #339powdork.com - new and improved, with 20% more dork.
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04-07-2019, 07:36 AM #340
Matsu with a side of Landry and N Maroon?
Prime time to have you boys out here. The Elks are alive right now!
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04-07-2019, 07:50 AM #341
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04-07-2019, 08:35 AM #342
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04-07-2019, 09:35 AM #343
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04-08-2019, 05:22 PM #344
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04-08-2019, 06:16 PM #345
Seems like they aren't really giving out any details about that solo guy and his circumstances or identity, other than to say he is okay, which is probably the best way to handle it. I can find nothing online as far as news reports go. So unless the guy decides to go public and share his story, it will likely remain a mystery to us. Sure would like to ask him a few questions though...
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04-08-2019, 07:52 PM #346
The guy made one of the biggest mistakes of his life... I’m sure he’s champing at the bit to put himself out there and get a bunch of shit from people he doesn’t know.
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04-08-2019, 07:59 PM #347Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
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04-08-2019, 08:19 PM #348
^ well said TahoeJ and MTM
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04-08-2019, 08:54 PM #349
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04-09-2019, 10:29 AM #350
I haven't followed this thread too closely but heard something about the Mt. Joffre incident and just watched the bonus episode. Wow, great thinking and reaction to a very deadly situation for that guy. Incredible chain of fortunate coincidence and great thinking by Cody and partner that saved that guy's life. Major props to them and all the rescuers for this. Great lesson for the rest of us with regard to training and protocol in the back country and huge thanks to Cody for the bonus episode and their step by step explanation of their actions.
Stay safe, Cody!
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