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01-17-2019, 01:04 PM #1
Haven't thought about bindings for about 10 years. What's good these days?
So I need to mount up my Praxis Lhasa pow's. Problem is I haven't paid attention to binding since SAC had Look/Rossi P14's on sale back in 2006 and I horded those like a mother. I think I had 9 pairs at my peak between the Mrs. and I. Fast forward 12 years and now the plastic on those guys is looking tired and these baby's deserve better than a (great) binding that has seen 3 other skis before.
So what's new? Anything better for massive elastic travel than a new generation pivot? Did they mess with the toepiece? I'm not as rad as I used to be and I have large boots, so super extremeo DIN settings aren't necessary. 12-14 for a max is fine with me.I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.
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01-17-2019, 01:07 PM #2Registered User
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Just get the metal P18 and forget about it for another decade.
"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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01-17-2019, 05:30 PM #3Registered User
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01-17-2019, 05:36 PM #4
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01-17-2019, 09:50 PM #5Registered User
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Sth2 13's (or 16's) can be found on the cheap, really the only clamp with comparable (toe) elasticity. Not much has changed. Solly or pivots you can't go wrong.
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01-18-2019, 05:52 AM #6AF
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01-18-2019, 06:17 AM #7I need to go to Utah.
Utah?
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....
Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues
8, 17, 13, 18, 16, 18, 20, 19, 16, 24, 32, 35
2021/2022 (13/15)
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01-18-2019, 07:19 AM #8
Kind of a misnomer on elasticity these days:
Salomon STH
- Elasticity – Toe: 52 mm
- Elasticity – Heel: 16 mm
Pivot:
- Elasticity – Toe: 45 mm
- Elasticity – Heel: 28 mm
Look SPX:
- Elasticity – Toe: 45 mm
- Elasticity – Heel: 27 mm
So it's a lot closer than it used to be.
disclaimer: I know those Look numbers are current, but I think my STH numbers a a couple years old. I don't think they have changed, but I can't swear that's true...
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01-18-2019, 11:13 AM #9Perpetual Jong
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Biggest changes I've noticed since 2006 are a much bigger and better performing selection of touring and hybrid touring/resort binding options, and the proliferation of different boot sole types: ISO 5355 (standard alpine), ISO 9523 (standard touring), Gripwalk, WTR (on its way out), various non-standard designs (mostly on lighter touring boots).
If you don't care about touring or compatibility with boots other than 5355, then hard to go wrong with Pivots or STH2 as suggested above. If you do, that's when it gets complicated.
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01-18-2019, 11:15 AM #10
It's the other way around actually. Big foot = shorter lever for the ski on the boot = less clamping force required to stay in.
The Look toes appear to be the same for the pivot and SPX. Is the heel really worth the premium?
edit: thanks Truenorth. I'm mostly leading my 5 and 9 year old down the resort these days and hoping to sneak a run or two in while they're taking a break, so no need for they fancy stuff.I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.
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01-18-2019, 11:22 AM #11Perpetual Jong
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Many here will disagree, but after I've clicked in I personally can't tell the difference between the 12/13/14 DIN versions of Pivot, (S)PX, STH, Griffon, Attack, and probably others.
Last edited by TrueNorth; 01-18-2019 at 11:56 AM.
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01-18-2019, 11:24 AM #12
^^^ I have SPXs on a pair of Head Monsters that are my DD when there isn't much new snow. Only skied Pivots once or twice, but happy with the SPXs. I suspect you would be too. I have STH2 13s on a different pair of skis and like those as well. A bit different in terms of step-in force, more noticeable in deep snow, but other than that there isn't much that I notice.
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01-18-2019, 11:28 AM #13
Markers still suck.
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01-18-2019, 11:28 AM #14
That's probably true for most things these days. ~18 years ago I learned what 'Markering out' was on some M14's and went for a slide for life at kirkwood. I was on a traverse when it happened, trying to leave the area because the chutes we were checking weren't filled in.
For me it's less about how it feels when clicked in, it's more about if and how they release. I wasn't a big fan of needing to adjust and check the S900/912/914/916 toes all the time, so I ended up with p12's and 14's.I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.
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01-18-2019, 11:30 AM #15
I ski on 10 year old pivots but only the 15 and 18 din versions with the metal toes. But honestly I think if you aren't skiing that hard your current P14 are fine.
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01-18-2019, 11:51 AM #16I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.
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01-18-2019, 11:54 AM #17
+1 on STH2s, easy step in, easy forward pressure, consistent release, and if you ever get wtr or grip walk soles you're good to go
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01-18-2019, 11:55 AM #18
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01-18-2019, 12:00 PM #19
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01-18-2019, 12:04 PM #20
When I used to ski park and huck the burly factor mattered. Now is ski mostly STH2’s (13-16) and Marker Demo’s (Griffons/Jesters). I avoid pivots because of the limited adjustability and brake width hassles.
Honestly, the Markers and Salomons feel very similar on snow. Whenever I come out, it is mostly the heel and usually because I drop something too big and land on hard snow.
Pivots are probably a superior binding for hard chargers but I’m past that time. There’s my two cents.In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...
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01-18-2019, 01:48 PM #21
Pivot 18 is all metal and indestructible for the most part. I think it would last the longest.
I had STH2, I pre-released them a number of times and had issues with the AFD height changing.
I now only ski Tyrolia Attack 13/16 or Pivot 18. Both perform very well. Attacks are considerably lighter, have a low stack height, and large heel adjustment range for sharing skis with friends. Pivots have more heel elasticity, a bit of a better on-snow feel, but are heavier and have very little heel adjustment for sharing skis. Pivots are also a decent amount harder to step into after losing a ski in pow, whereas attacks are easy.
Powder ski or sharing skis -> Attack
All Mountain/Big Mountain, not sharing skis -> Pivot
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01-18-2019, 07:13 PM #22
Omfg. No.
If your take were correct, DIN would go up for a larger foot. It goes down, because the further your toes are from your heel, the more leverage there is on your knee. This isn’t rocket science. How is somebody here arguing how DIN settings work? Is this alpinezone? Where is greg? Somebody fetch the applicable harold harble tutorial.
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01-18-2019, 07:56 PM #23Registered User
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Again, I’d get something with a metal toe and fixed afd (and no dinky toe-heel connector, like the SPX15/18). Set and forget. If they still make a PX18, that would be fine. So would the STH steel but they’re heavy, expensive, and rare.
Or buy something plastic like the P14, SPX12, or STH16."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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01-18-2019, 10:51 PM #24
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01-19-2019, 12:10 AM #25
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