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    Fritschi Xenic - 280g claimed weight tech binding

    Full details will be at OR Snow Show soon. Here's what I have so far - just pictures ; "safety story" and "280g" (that with or without brakes?

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    I'll pick it apart and post more pictures when I get product samples. In the meantime - questions? comments?

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    Curious about feature parity with the EVO ie how much engineering came over
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    So what differentiates this from the many other ~300g tech binders?
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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    Wonder what material at that weight.

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    Ability to seperately adj horizontal & vertical release values?

    or has that become a sacred cow ?
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    Is this their first "normal" pin toe? (as opposed to Tecton/Vipec DIN-style release toe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    So what differentiates this from the many other ~300g tech binders?
    20 grams?

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    What happens if you have a knee fall? Also am I seeing one heel lifter and flat mode? Turn the binding to enter touring mode. Looks cool, the increase in the lighterweight tech bindings is pretty cool.

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    hm, a light tech binding with actual front elasticity re the final photo? If so, that is very, very interesting imo.

    It will be interesting to see if there is rear release as usual, or if the potential front elasticity is paired with some sort of lock in the heel for ski mode.

    I would be extremely surprised if the knee fall issue is present in any new or current Fritschi bindings. I would imagine that Tectons v1 / Vipec EVO cured Fritschi from ever doing that mistake again.

    lots of photos and description in la langue frog here: https://www.ski-libre.com/infoskiran...schi-xenic-10/
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    rear din between 4 and 10. Vertical din grade adjustable release in the rear as well? Lengthwise heel binding adjustment like Vipecs and Tectons.

    price 330 euros - same as Alpinist, so considerably cheaper than some direct competitors - with lots of nice features.

    the brakes are locked by revolving the rear binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Ability to seperately adj horizontal & vertical release values?

    or has that become a sacred cow ?
    The Frtischi Sacred Cow VH 10 is a model year 2021 release.
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    the situation strikes me as WAY too much drama at this point

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    Thanks!!!

    New toe redesign without kneefall boot invaginator

    Separarate horizontal and vertical release of DIN 4-10

    Some toe lateral elasticity; unclwar how much

    Weight 250g without brakes. 280g with

    Bsl adjustment 25mm Demo track of 60mm


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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    20 grams?
    i laughed
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    This is Fritchi's entry in to the lightweight market since the Vipec Evo 12 is ~516g per half including brakes.

    It doesn't *look* revolutionary, but if it has toe release, that would be revolutionary in this weight class. I was hoping it would be an ultralight Vipec with non-rotating heel piece, easy elevators, and easy mode shifting.

    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Ability to seperately adj horizontal & vertical release values?

    or has that become a sacred cow ?
    I think you meant infinitely adjust both horizontal and vertical RV.

    ATK Crest 280, Hagan Ride 10 (aka ATK RT 2.0 290), and BD Helio 200 (aka ATK Haute Route 2.0 165) all can do that.

    The only binding with linked RVs is the G3 Zed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    if it has toe release, that would be revolutionary in this weight class. I was hoping it would be an ultralight Vipec with non-rotating heel piece, easy elevators, and easy mode shifting.
    100%, I would be very interested if it lateral toe release.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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    I don't remember seeing ATK at my local supply and i have never seen one for real so I googled ATK

    its in Italian the pictures are of folks in head bands & euro centricaly colored clothing

    there does not appear to be any dealers in NA ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I don't remember seeing ATK at my local supply and i have never seen one for real so I googled ATK

    its in Italian the pictures are of folks in head bands & euro centricaly colored clothing

    there does not appear to be any dealers in NA ?
    ATK is distributed by Hagan Mountaineering in the USA (some models are rebranded) and a few of the ATK models are rebranded and sold by Black Diamond as Helio bindings. ATK is known for their high quality, light weight, high style, light wallet inducing designs.

    This thread is about a 280g binding. Why are you surprised by head bands and euro clothing?

    ATK Raider 12 (Hagan Core 12) and Freeraider 14 are certainly regarded as solid and durable touring bindings for more aggressive free touring.
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    who sells them in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    who sells them in Canada?
    No idea... google didn't help.

    Hagan and BD ship to Canada.

    I assume a couple of the Euro stores ship to Canada. (I ordered my Crests from Sportsprofi in Austria)
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    not into dealing cross border

    According to XE converter the core 12 would be 860 CAN + shipping + duty
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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    100%, I would be very interested if it lateral toe release.
    Doesn't look like it, at least not the same mechanism as Vipec/Tecton (pin arms mounted on a slider). Also there seems to be an AFD pad on the brakes so I guess lateral release will work via rotation of the boot out of the heel piece...

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    Quote Originally Posted by selle View Post
    Doesn't look like it, at least not the same mechanism as Vipec/Tecton (pin arms mounted on a slider). Also there seems to be an AFD pad on the brakes so I guess lateral release will work via rotation of the boot out of the heel piece...
    I should have been more clear -- doesn't look like it to me, either, which is slightly disappointing but not unexpected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    I should have been more clear -- doesn't look like it to me, either, which is slightly disappointing but not unexpected.
    Yeah, hard to do when shaving grams.

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    Most important question:

    Is the mount pattern same as vipec/tecton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveski View Post
    Most important question:

    Is the mount pattern same as vipec/tecton?

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    This would be amazeballs. Even sharing 3/4 of holes would be fantastic.

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    Are you actually going to put quiverkillers in and swap between Tecton / Xenic?
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