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  1. #401
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    I´ve found a good offer for a Xenic, but the shop also offers a newer version to a significantly higher price and I´m wondering whether the cheaper one is still affected by the toe lever issue since they look a bit different in that area. Could someone please comment on that?
    Thanks.
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    I just bought the GF a pair of the new version xenics for $235 with free shipping. https://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-to...tschi-xenic-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    I just bought the GF a pair of the new version xenics for $235 with free shipping. https://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-to...tschi-xenic-10
    The picture looks like the older of the two version I meant which is sold for 199 Euros w/o brakes. Meanwhile I got a reply from the shop, that the more expensive one is the latest iteration which was (somehow) improved in the toe piece, but nothing more concrete.

  4. #404
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    I just got a reply from Fritschi´s CS.
    Accordingly to what they wrote, the (now) white button was redesigned to avoid the ski/walk lever to be locked by snow/ice.
    They also sent a video showing the locked lever issue and how to solve it removing the snow and moving the (here still black) button a couple of times.
    Further, some other parts seem to have been made somehow stronger.

  5. #405
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    de-icing toe

    Quote Originally Posted by PNB View Post
    They also sent a video showing the locked lever issue and how to solve it removing the snow and moving the (here still black) button a couple of times.
    Can you post the video please? Ta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    I just bought the GF a pair of the new version xenics for $235 with free shipping. https://www.evo.com/outlet/alpine-to...tschi-xenic-10
    These things are down to $159
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  7. #407
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffski View Post
    Can you post the video please? Ta.
    Hope it works:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/nm7dhcn47m...t%202.mp4?dl=0

  8. #408
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    Thanks for the video link; that worked. Hope the technique works too! .

    (aside - I'm pretty fed up with Fritschi icing problems - I still struggle from time to time with the heel of my Vipec/Evos - I've been known to take them off the ski and put them under my clothes for 20 minutes to de-ice - hardly a fast transition!)

  9. #409
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    FWIW, it took Black Diamond 3 weeks to respond to my warranty claim for fixing the toe levers. It has been 3 weeks since I sent my toe pieces in and they still haven’t confirmed what they will do or when I will get the toe pieces back.

    Assuming I do eventually get the toe pieces back, anyone want to recommend a Xenic compatible crampon that will provide a close fit on a 100mm wide ski?

    It looks like Skimo made a rather detailed crampon compatibility table. It looks like there are a lot of compatible options.

    https://skimo.co/ski-crampon-compatibility
    Last edited by Karl_H; 02-23-2023 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_H View Post
    FWIW, it took Black Diamond 3 weeks to respond to my warranty claim for fixing the toe levers. It has been 3 weeks since I sent my toe pieces in and they still haven’t confirmed what they will do or when I will get the toe pieces back.

    Assuming I do eventually get the toe pieces back, anyone want to recommend a Xenic compatible crampon that will provide a close fit on a 100mm wide ski?

    It looks like Skimo made a rather detailed crampon compatibility table. It looks like there are a lot of compatible options.

    https://skimo.co/ski-crampon-compatibility

    Skimo also publishes their own measured widths for each crampon they sell so it would be a matter of measuring your ski to check its actual width and then picking a crampon a hair wider (like the ATK 102mm)

  11. #411
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    For anyone out there running Xenic & Tecton toe inserts and swapping heels on and off fixed heel plate, are the plates identical or is the Xenic plate smaller?

    Seems like a pretty ideal setup for a daily driver bc rig with some flexibility as a travel / side country ski.

  12. #412
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    Quote Originally Posted by shank View Post
    For anyone out there running Xenic & Tecton toe inserts and swapping heels on and off fixed heel plate, are the plates identical or is the Xenic plate smaller?

    Seems like a pretty ideal setup for a daily driver bc rig with some flexibility as a travel / side country ski.
    At least on my setup (purchased a few years ago), the heel plate is the same.

  13. #413
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGamms View Post
    At least on my setup (purchased a few years ago), the heel plate is the same.
    Same for older Xenics (3 yrs) and newer (1 yr)

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    Awesome - extra pair of plates means an excuse to set up an extra pair of skis.


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    Fritschi Xenic - 280g claimed weight tech binding

    Quote Originally Posted by Ørion View Post
    Skimo also publishes their own measured widths for each crampon they sell so it would be a matter of measuring your ski to check its actual width and then picking a crampon a hair wider (like the ATK 102mm)
    I was in a shop the other day looking at this and we found that the ATK, Xenic, and Dynafit crampons all fit well. Happy that I don’t have to buy new crampons just for these. Now I can afford brakes. Was considering just going with leashes but I’ll take the weight penalty.
    Last edited by ~mikey b; 04-05-2023 at 08:55 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    I was in a shop the other day looking at this and we found that the ATK, Tecton, and Dynafit crampons all fit well. Happy that I don’t have to buy new crampons just for these. Now I can afford brakes. Was considering just going with leashes but I’ll take the weight penalty.
    Tectons use a different crampon attachment so I assume you mean the Xenic ones? I'm in a crampons conundrum myself as ON3P really does mean exactly 110mm when they say 110mm width, might just have to jump to a 120mm ATK.

    As for brakes, I'm pretty happy with my B&D leashes after seeing a friend's ski (with brakes) rocket down a hill several hundred yards before taking a jump and burying itself to toe piece like a lawn dart.

    Of course, might be singing a different tune if I had instead watched her get domed by a leashed ski on the rebound instead...

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    Fritschi Xenic - 280g claimed weight tech binding

    yeah my mistake

    and yeah this is meant for a spring setup so leashes might be more appropriate - I’ve seen skis with brakes go a loooong way down the hill (and over a waterfall &#129315
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    yeah my mistake

    and yeah this is meant for a spring setup so leashes might be more appropriate - I’ve seen skis with brakes go a loooong way down the hill (and over a waterfall )
    Yeah, if you haven't had a chance to try the B&D leashes, the length is clutch and the breakable fuse is a nice touch. Fixes the issues I have with standard leashes.

    Some wrap it around their ankles but you'll get a lot more usability if you can clip it somewhere on the back of the boot.

    I've been tempted to figure out a way to hotswap them between skis so I can run them as powder leashes inbounds too.

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    Fritschi Xenic - 280g claimed weight tech binding

    where are you attaching the leash to the binding?

    I might just make my own with stuff I have at home - I was thinking of using a zip tie to attach to the toe piece since it would give me some break ability like the B&D
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    If the toe piece is off, you can look underneath it and there'll be channel underneath around the front screws to hold a loop of wire. The official Fritschi leashes comes with a premade loop but assuming you don't have that, Home Depot sells 1/16" stainless steel wire by the foot which is the right diameter for it. In the same aisle they'll have the appropriate sized aluminum ferrules. No need for a special crimper, a pair of pliers or even a light tap with a hammer will get the job done.

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    You could add a ziptie fuse to that or kill two birds with one stone and add the fuse to the boot itself for an easier clipping target.

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    thanks
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    I have some tele leashes around here somewhere…
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  23. #423
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    Fritschi Xenic - 280g claimed weight tech binding

    well that didn’t work

    randomly kicked a shoe on some hard snow and went down hard

    my hand crimped cable came apart so I got to watch my ski rocket off down the hill while I was sliding away from my dropped pole - I watched it until I saw it hit a fence near a lodge

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    I think I hit a chunk of chunder but I was surprised to come out - I had no problem in difficult wet spring glop last weekend - this was stiff but reasonably smooth snow and I’d already made a bunch of turns




    anyway nursing some banged up ribs and shopping for proper leashes and turning my DIN up to 10
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    Were you on the Xenix?

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  25. #425
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    I had a couple mtn leash loop cables fray, so I'm using real small dyneema cord (1.5mm?) now. It's sold as bowfishing line which is a fun fact to tell people when they ask about it. I'll mail you some if you want to try it.

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