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  1. #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar View Post
    Interesting, I'll have to give the XTD a look then. Curious why Dynafit's website gives the Hoji Free a "2/5" rating for touring as opposed to the Hoji Tour a "5/5". It seems like other than the last width and the toe lug that adds 100g a boot there's little difference in tour performance, no?
    As stated the liner is stiffer as is the shaft plastic. Liner is more akin to something out of a Cochise 130. Power strap is a bit different as opposed to the normal hoji. ROM good but not friction free.

    Personally instep height felt similar to the zero g tour pro (I need lots of room as well). In general the fit reminds a lot of Vulcan/mercury except for the instep which is higher in hoji.

    On carpet with stock liner it feels very 50/50 oriented, or at least more downhill focused than Vulcan hoji zerog xtd etc. perfect for the “tgr” crowd.


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  2. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRainey View Post
    ......Why would Tecnica not use his ski boot expertise?
    The bigger a company gets, the more company politics and the fear to innovate(ie fear of a new success) comes into play.....trust me..

  3. #78
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    So I got a chance to try these on and compare them to the Vulcans and MTN Lab. Me: high arch, 102mm forefoot, moderately high instep. Quick thoughts on fit:

    -Toe box width (widest to narrow) - Hoji Free/Vulcan, MTN Lab (although with the custom shell HD I think this could be addressed pretty easily)
    -Toe box volume/height (highest to lowest) - MTN Lab, Vulcan, Hoji Free
    -Midfoot/metatarsal width (widest to narrowest) - Vulcan, Hoji Free, MTN
    -Metatarsal volume/height (high to low) - MTN Lab, Vulcan, Hoji Free
    -Instep (high to low) - MTN lab, Vulcan/Hoji Free
    -Heel pocket in the Hoji Free felt slightly more locked in than the Vulcan and definitely more so than the MTN Lab.
    -ROM in the Hoji Free is significant when compared to the MTN, which seem to just hit a wall at about 45 degrees.
    -Hoji Free is stiffer than both in downhill mode, with a more progressive feel than the Vulcan.
    -Cuff height felt fairly similar between MTN lab and Hoji Free but the Hoji Free is slightly higher.

    Overall, kinda bummed about the metatarsal region of the Hoji Free as that seems to be where I have most of my fit issues and resulting numbness in boots. Might take a previous recommendation for the XTD for comparisons sake.

  4. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar View Post
    Overall, kinda bummed about the metatarsal region of the Hoji Free as that seems to be where I have most of my fit issues and resulting numbness in boots. Might take a previous recommendation for the XTD for comparisons sake.
    You should look beyond the fit of any of these boots in the shop, especially before heat molding the liners (and shells in the case of the S/Lab MTN (or 2nd gen MTN Lab). A decent bootfitter should be able to make any of these wide enough for a 102mm foot without drama. It's harder to adjust the instep height on many touring boots (MTN is an exception) as most have ultra thin or no bootboards to grind. It's harder still to make the ankle and heel volume smaller.

    Unless you have zero access to good bootfitting, I would recommend looking for the best fit in the ankle and heel and talk to someone about widening the forefoot.

  5. #80
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    PS Vulcan/Mercury had tons of space above the toebox; I had to glue 1/4" of foam on top of the liner toes to make it feel like the MTN Lab. The instep, on the other hand, was quite low.

  6. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregL View Post
    You should look beyond the fit of any of these boots in the shop, especially before heat molding the liners (and shells in the case of the S/Lab MTN (or 2nd gen MTN Lab). A decent bootfitter should be able to make any of these wide enough for a 102mm foot without drama. It's harder to adjust the instep height on many touring boots (MTN is an exception) as most have ultra thin or no bootboards to grind. It's harder still to make the ankle and heel volume smaller.

    Unless you have zero access to good bootfitting, I would recommend looking for the best fit in the ankle and heel and talk to someone about widening the forefoot.
    Thanks, Greg. Regarding the instep, that's what has me leaning toward checking out the Hawx XTD. It looks like it has a bootboard which along with the memory fit shell seems like they'd be the easiest to get dialed along my arch and instep - as long as the heel and ankle fit well as you mentioned. I guess what I'm most hesitant about with the Hoji Free is forking out the cash for the boot then the prospect of another $100-200 for additional work.

  7. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar View Post
    Regarding the instep, that's what has me leaning toward checking out the Hawx XTD. It looks like it has a bootboard which along with the memory fit shell seems like they'd be the easiest to get dialed along my arch and instep - as long as the heel and ankle fit well as you mentioned.
    The Hawx Ultra XTD (I have the first generation boot and I don't think the last has changed) combines a medium high instep with a very small diameter cuff. People who complain that it is tight in the instep are actually feeling it in the bend of the ankle (or have thicker than average ankles). I made the forefoot fit my ~104mm foot (not counting large bunions) with the heat mold and a few punches, and yes, it does have a grindable bootboard.

  8. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiersLeft View Post
    Carpet testing a pair right now. Not sure what to think. It sure feels burly, both liner and shell are higher than the Vulcan. The new buckles close super nice with a slight locking click when closed. The classic Dynafit fiddle factor is still present when getting buckles and tongue sorted. The sidas liner isn’t total crap. The tongue is secured with velcro. When inserting liner into boot it can get hung up on the toe gusset. Fit feels similar to Vulcan all in all. The weight is what surprised me the most.... 1730 grams in a 28,5. is this a 50/50 boot? Sure feels like that was the plan.



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    You didn't by any chance take note of the BSL of the 28,5 Hoji Free's?
    Last edited by MrLarsen; 09-10-2019 at 05:52 AM.

  9. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLarsen View Post
    You didn't by any chance take note of the BSL of the 28,5 Hoji Free's?
    IIRC a 28/28.5 Hoji Free has a 318mm sole length

  10. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLarsen View Post
    You didn't by any chance take note of the BSL of the 28,5 Hoji Free's?
    My 27.5 is stamped 310.

  11. #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLarsen View Post
    You didn't by any chance take note of the BSL of the 28,5 Hoji Free's?
    320mm


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  12. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiersLeft View Post
    320mm


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    Thanks. That should help me figure out what to do with bindings when I replace my Vulcans (likely with Hoji Free's)

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