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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowroastin View Post
    My newly acquired Deathwish badly need a tune. What is the consensus base/side bevel?


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    Factory tune is 1/1


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    Quote Originally Posted by macon View Post
    Maybe! Though I think it's a different story entirely, Melee would have to confirm.

    I'll probably put together another album about the chronicles of the wildcat topsheet once I get a better understanding of what's happening. It looks to be a fantastical rendition of the apollo missions so far, maybe fits with alien/ET lore.
    Totally new story line with the Wildcat name change. Jack and Jill are done. They had a good run for 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy View Post
    Factory tune is 1/1


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    Nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macon View Post
    Yeah I miss the Fable of the Bibby, but I get the rebrand and I'm stoked to see where this new Space-themed storyline goes.

    Here's the link to the Fable of the Bibby imgur album I put together a couple years ago.

    https://imgur.com/r/skiing/9jQ5I
    I never knew this whole story either. Thanks for sharing that. I love the topsheet of my 12-13 and it's cool to know the background!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    Totally new story line with the Wildcat name change. Jack and Jill are done. They had a good run for 10 years.
    Not that you need more cult followers, but this is incredibly cool. Never knew the full story. I donít need 10 pairs of bibbys, but I sort of hope Josh has a wall at his house with each pair in sequential order.
    wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
    Zoolander wasn't a documentary?

  6. #206
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    I'm super excited about next year's line up. The Wildcat 108 saves me and a bunch of the fan boys money from a custom summer project.

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    Any word on the weight of the new Wildcat 108?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrgha View Post
    Any word on the weight of the new Wildcat 108?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    Dialing in the final version of the ski this month but we are really happy with it already.

    Depending on the build weights are 4120g to 4500g per pair.

    Main changes are the core material although some composite tweaks have been tested.

    The goal is to make a slightly damper ride while still feeling like a Wildcat.
    jubilations!
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  9. #209
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    Meridian video came out over email - https://www.momentskis.com/collections/meridian-series

    Really seems to sum up the way those skis actually want to ski, to me. Fast, and playfully. Only been on the 107 but it's a great ski

  10. #210
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    Moment Skis Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    Enough talk.

    Check out the 19/20 preview site here:

    www.mmntskis.com
    Melee. Thanks for posting this... I had to put on my ski porn pants to open it. I thrashed up my J ski metals in the Utahs last week and demoíd some liberty origin 96 and rustler 9s to ski the two and three day old chowdah while the metals were being repaired. I have a hole between my 106 metals and Kastle mx83... liked the weight of the Origin but the Rustlers w partial metal were more my flavor. Enjoyed them quite a bit. That said, they have a definitive speed limit, and I found it. Iím getting the impression that commanders will handle moar flames... would the new splay on 2020 98s help with tree and bump shenanigans? Can it be slarvy if needed?

    TlR; need a light ski. is the 2020 98 a Rustler with bigger balls?
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    Real world conditions test on the current Deathwish...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abol98 View Post
    Melee. Thanks for posting this... I had to put on my ski porn pants to open it. I thrashed up my J ski metals in the Utahs last week and demoíd some liberty origin 96 and rustler 9s to ski the two and three day old chowdah while the metals were being repaired. I have a hole between my 106 metals and Kastle mx83... liked the weight of the Origin but the Rustlers w partial metal were more my flavor. Enjoyed them quite a bit. That said, they have a definitive speed limit, and I found it. Iím getting the impression that commanders will handle moar flames... would the new splay on 2020 98s help with tree and bump shenanigans? Can it be slarvy if needed?

    TlR; need a light ski. is the 2020 98 a Rustler with bigger balls?
    Have the Rustler 9s myself and there has been quite a few skis including mine that had some tune issues(base high usually) from the factory and once I got a base grind, their stability hugely increased. I usually ski groomers in the 45-55mph range with the daily tuck run in the 60-65 plus range without issue on them. They rip!
    Next years model gets some core changes on both the Rustler 9 and 10 to add a bit of weight to help with crud performance aka bigger balls. Lol

    Have the PB&Js as well and love them too. The Rustlers are quicker edge to edge, more of a carver and the PB&Js love going straight more and they are better in crud. Havenít tried the Commander 98 yet but Iím sure they haul!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noslow View Post
    Have the Rustler 9s myself and there has been quite a few skis including mine that had some tune issues(base high usually) from the factory and once I got a base grind, their stability hugely increased. I usually ski groomers in the 45-55mph range with the daily tuck run in the 60-65 plus range without issue on them. They rip!
    Next years model gets some core changes on both the Rustler 9 and 10 to add a bit of weight to help with crud performance aka bigger balls. Lol

    Have the PB&Js as well and love them too. The Rustlers are quicker edge to edge, more of a carver and the PB&Js love going straight more and they are better in crud. Havenít tried the Commander 98 yet but Iím sure they haul!
    Interesting noslow. Ty for the heads up. Funny that the new Rustler 9 and the new commander 98 have the same top sheet colors for next year too. I trust the shop on the tune (Lifthouse kills it) but the Look SPX demos sure do add some stack height. And I was probably skiing them too much like my full camber Kastles. The Rustlers love the quick turns but the locals I was chasing were having none of that. Good times really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abol98 View Post
    Interesting noslow. Ty for the heads up. Funny that the new Rustler 9 and the new commander 98 have the same top sheet colors for next year too. I trust the shop on the tune (Lifthouse kills it) but the Look SPX demos sure do add some stack height. And I was probably skiing them too much like my full camber Kastles. The Rustlers love the quick turns but the locals I was chasing were having none of that. Good times really.


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    Guess I got the wrong info and only the Rustler 10 gets the thicker core to add more weight next year. The Rustler 9 just gets to be the color green. Lol

    I doubt the Rustler 9 you tested would have had a base grind unless it got some scratches on them from prior use as most rental places are only grinding when needed but your pair might not have needed it, so who knows. Find the Rustler 9 is very quick on itís feet but loves long, carved turns too as it likes any turns as long as itís on edge.

  15. #215
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    Depending on the build weights are 4120g to 4500g per pair.

    The goal is to make a slightly damper ride while still feeling like a Wildcat.
    Thank you!!!! We donít need anymore light resort skis.


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    @melee This is probably a stupid question...but is there any chance of the Wildcat 108s being available this season via invoice or group buy?

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    I had a blast on the 2018 190cm Bibby's skiing some deep, slightly-heavy pow recently. Figured I'd write a little review + ask for advice based on what I learned.

    I gotta say, the Bibby's are crazy maneuverable in deep snow. This was my first experience on a ski with heavily tapered tips and lots of tail rocker. I was nervous about how they'd perform, but the maneuverability and pivotability in deep snow is just crazy and yet they still rail on groomers and do pretty* well in chop. Float was good and they absolutely stomp pow landings like a friggin hero (even though I don't usually jump that much). Such an easy fun ski, yet it's still got a good backbone.

    *HOWEVER, the big thing I learned is that I definitely prefer having a bit more ski in front of me (FYI I'm 6'4" 180lbs, which might have something to do with it, but who knows). On many occasions these last couple weeks, I've asked myself: "is there a ski out there with all the Bibby's qualities (aka equal float and similar level of maneuverability), but with a more traditional mount point that will allow me to drive the tips more without getting hung up in heavier / mankier snow?". With the forward mount point on the Bibby's, I didn't feel I could use the forward/aggressive stance that I would usually use to ski fast through steep and/or choppy snow terrain with confidence. At the end of the day, this one weakness* (wrong word) can be sidestepped by taking a more playful approach to certain features of the mountain. Been channeling my inner Bentchetler / Pollard and having a blast.

    Nevertheless, my hunt for a maneuverable* pow charger* continues. I'm happy I've gotten some time on the Bibby's because they definitely helped me appreciate the benefits / drawbacks of taper and more progressive mount points. There is a lottt of magic in this ski. Essentially, I think I'm looking for a Bibby with a more traditional mount point and probably a bit less tail rocker. Definitely something with a bit of taper in tip and tail to keep as much of that Bibby magic maneuverability as I can while also being a bit chargier.

    I'm pretty confident that the ski I've been looking for is one the skis left on my short-list:

    ON3P Billy Goat 189/191
    Praxis Quixote 188/194
    Moment Governor 196 - didn't seem to sell very well. No longer in production. Some have said that it was too burly.
    Moment Commander 118 - coming in 2019. Person I spoke to at Moment said it would be the Governor's replacement and promised more chargey-ness than the Bibby and more maneuverability than the Governor.

    Who knows, maybe the Bibby actually strikes the best possible balance between float, chargey-ness, and maneuverability. But I won't be able to stop wondering until I try one of these skis that appears (on paper, at least) to have a slightly better mix of these traits for my personal preferences.

  18. #218
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    Quote Originally Posted by macon View Post
    Yeah I miss the Fable of the Bibby, but I get the rebrand and I'm stoked to see where this new Space-themed storyline goes.

    Here's the link to the Fable of the Bibby imgur album I put together a couple years ago.

    https://imgur.com/r/skiing/9jQ5I
    Thatís awesome

    Love my 2013 top sheets, want to mount them on the wall when I retire them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonhead View Post
    @melee This is probably a stupid question...but is there any chance of the Wildcat 108s being available this season via invoice or group buy?
    We may be releasing a short run of the Wildcat 108s this season. Wont happen for at least a month... Will keep TGR posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VON View Post
    I had a blast on the 2018 190cm Bibby's skiing some deep, slightly-heavy pow recently. Figured I'd write a little review + ask for advice based on what I learned.

    I gotta say, the Bibby's are crazy maneuverable in deep snow. This was my first experience on a ski with heavily tapered tips and lots of tail rocker. I was nervous about how they'd perform, but the maneuverability and pivotability in deep snow is just crazy and yet they still rail on groomers and do pretty* well in chop. Float was good and they absolutely stomp pow landings like a friggin hero (even though I don't usually jump that much). Such an easy fun ski, yet it's still got a good backbone.

    *HOWEVER, the big thing I learned is that I definitely prefer having a bit more ski in front of me (FYI I'm 6'4" 180lbs, which might have something to do with it, but who knows). On many occasions these last couple weeks, I've asked myself: "is there a ski out there with all the Bibby's qualities (aka equal float and similar level of maneuverability), but with a more traditional mount point that will allow me to drive the tips more without getting hung up in heavier / mankier snow?". With the forward mount point on the Bibby's, I didn't feel I could use the forward/aggressive stance that I would usually use to ski fast through steep and/or choppy snow terrain with confidence. At the end of the day, this one weakness* (wrong word) can be sidestepped by taking a more playful approach to certain features of the mountain. Been channeling my inner Bentchetler / Pollard and having a blast.

    Nevertheless, my hunt for a maneuverable* pow charger* continues. I'm happy I've gotten some time on the Bibby's because they definitely helped me appreciate the benefits / drawbacks of taper and more progressive mount points. There is a lottt of magic in this ski. Essentially, I think I'm looking for a Bibby with a more traditional mount point and probably a bit less tail rocker. Definitely something with a bit of taper in tip and tail to keep as much of that Bibby magic maneuverability as I can while also being a bit chargier.

    I'm pretty confident that the ski I've been looking for is one the skis left on my short-list:

    ON3P Billy Goat 189/191
    Praxis Quixote 188/194
    Moment Governor 196 - didn't seem to sell very well. No longer in production. Some have said that it was too burly.
    Moment Commander 118 - coming in 2019. Person I spoke to at Moment said it would be the Governor's replacement and promised more chargey-ness than the Bibby and more maneuverability than the Governor.

    Who knows, maybe the Bibby actually strikes the best possible balance between float, chargey-ness, and maneuverability. But I won't be able to stop wondering until I try one of these skis that appears (on paper, at least) to have a slightly better mix of these traits for my personal preferences.
    Have both 191 BGs and 196 Govs, and like them both, but a bit different personalities. The BGs are the ultimate ski for weird snow, heavy wet, breakable crust, etc. They also ski great in pow, but what doesn't?

    The Govs are better in consistent snow conditions, whether wind buff, pow, or even firmer steeps. In inconsistent snow they get knocked around more than the BGs due to the tip taper. They are plenty easy to turn, and float well. I would say the BGs are stiffer and have a higher speed limit. However, the Govs have a really sweet flex pattern and provide more energy out of the turn. The BGs are kinda dead and planky.

  21. #221
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    Hoping to get some advice here - my favorite (daily) skis have been Moments M1's from about 2005 or 6. (topsheet as seen here https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-the-Ill-Na-Na

    I bought them with grand plans of lots of ski trips out west but the reality is they really seem to suit our icy dicey choppy east coast conditions. I use these exclusively throughout the season with the exception of deep powder days or very soft spring conditions.

    I'm not the greatest skier but swear there's something about these that make me 'better'.

    Of the current offerings out there, if I wanted to get something newer with a similar stiffness what would you recommend?

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    Moment Skis Discussion

    Meter man gave me some free but beat to shit deathwish.

    Found a good use for them today around my house in Seattle.

    https://youtu.be/bsbo_pSmKXQ

    Edit - url isnít working for me.
    YouTube channel - Supre Chicken
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    wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
    Zoolander wasn't a documentary?

  23. #223
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    We may be releasing a short run of the Wildcat 108s this season. Wont happen for at least a month... Will keep TGR posted.
    Please keep us posted, ready to pre order a pair of these!
    Unofficial Fact: Skiing was 69% more rad in the 1980's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VON View Post
    I had a blast on the 2018 190cm Bibby's skiing some deep, slightly-heavy pow recently. Figured I'd write a little review + ask for advice based on what I learned.

    I gotta say, the Bibby's are crazy maneuverable in deep snow. This was my first experience on a ski with heavily tapered tips and lots of tail rocker. I was nervous about how they'd perform, but the maneuverability and pivotability in deep snow is just crazy and yet they still rail on groomers and do pretty* well in chop. Float was good and they absolutely stomp pow landings like a friggin hero (even though I don't usually jump that much). Such an easy fun ski, yet it's still got a good backbone.

    *HOWEVER, the big thing I learned is that I definitely prefer having a bit more ski in front of me (FYI I'm 6'4" 180lbs, which might have something to do with it, but who knows). On many occasions these last couple weeks, I've asked myself: "is there a ski out there with all the Bibby's qualities (aka equal float and similar level of maneuverability), but with a more traditional mount point that will allow me to drive the tips more without getting hung up in heavier / mankier snow?". With the forward mount point on the Bibby's, I didn't feel I could use the forward/aggressive stance that I would usually use to ski fast through steep and/or choppy snow terrain with confidence. At the end of the day, this one weakness* (wrong word) can be sidestepped by taking a more playful approach to certain features of the mountain. Been channeling my inner Bentchetler / Pollard and having a blast.

    Nevertheless, my hunt for a maneuverable* pow charger* continues. I'm happy I've gotten some time on the Bibby's because they definitely helped me appreciate the benefits / drawbacks of taper and more progressive mount points. There is a lottt of magic in this ski. Essentially, I think I'm looking for a Bibby with a more traditional mount point and probably a bit less tail rocker. Definitely something with a bit of taper in tip and tail to keep as much of that Bibby magic maneuverability as I can while also being a bit chargier.

    I'm pretty confident that the ski I've been looking for is one the skis left on my short-list:

    ON3P Billy Goat 189/191
    Praxis Quixote 188/194
    Moment Governor 196 - didn't seem to sell very well. No longer in production. Some have said that it was too burly.
    Moment Commander 118 - coming in 2019. Person I spoke to at Moment said it would be the Governor's replacement and promised more chargey-ness than the Bibby and more maneuverability than the Governor.

    Who knows, maybe the Bibby actually strikes the best possible balance between float, chargey-ness, and maneuverability. But I won't be able to stop wondering until I try one of these skis that appears (on paper, at least) to have a slightly better mix of these traits for my personal preferences.
    Billy Goat or just spend the time to get used to a more centered stance. BG is easily a harder charger and way more maneuverable from my experience with the Bibby and BG (184s for both). The only time you shouldn't really drive the tips of the BG are on packed snow where they prefer a more centered stance. Drive away in and type of soft 3D snow. The Commander 118 may fit your needs too. It won't be as maneuverable as a BG in 3D snow, but will likely be more traditional on firm/packed surfaces. Super Goat is probably also worth considering at your size and stated desireables.

  25. #225
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melee View Post
    The 124 was made to "replace" the Comi. This design is kind of unique to the rest of the Commander line since its the brain child of Third Edge Heli and a lot of there clients who have been Comi fanatics for the last decade. The 124 does not use Titanal

    Let me know if you guys have any other questions!

    Definitely intrigued by the 124, but...does this mean the Comi mold is being permanently retired or would they still be available in the future as a ďspecial order?Ē

    Really I just want to know if I need to grab another pair now so I know Iím good to go for the next couple decades, or if I have a few more years to put off the hoarding.
    Quote Originally Posted by doughboyshredder View Post
    If you're not standing on the fucking traverse with your thumb up your ass you wont get checked.

    dumbfuck.

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