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Thread: Moment Skis Discussion
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10-16-2020, 04:57 PM #1976
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10-19-2020, 04:31 PM #1977
Does anyone know if the mount point for the PBJ moved over the years? I'm playing swiss cheese with some 2014 182s, and trying to decide if I should go forward or back of the recommended (reusing 50% of the holes). Blister makes it seem like it moved back 1 CM over time, so leaning towards back.
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10-19-2020, 04:48 PM #1978
Just call/virtual chat with the guys at Moment, they’ll help you
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10-19-2020, 05:30 PM #1979
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10-19-2020, 05:48 PM #1980
Just dropping in to say "HELL YEAH" on the Voyager 14. Fixes the only two things I didn't want in an ATK -- an overseas retailer AND the ramp angle. Guess I am going to have to order one up!
melee, I think I saw you say it's $645 in the ATK thread - is that with a discount code? Looks like 699 on the website.
Thanks...sproing!
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10-19-2020, 06:16 PM #1981
Easy enough, thanks all.
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10-19-2020, 06:40 PM #1982
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10-19-2020, 10:22 PM #1983
Anyone who has skied the WildCat or WildCatTour in the past and switched to the deathwish? Thoughts?
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10-19-2020, 11:56 PM #1984
Fast delivery to Europe as I receive my Deathwish Tour after 1 week. The decks are beautiful with a well balanced tip and tail rise. My concern is the amount of camber (8.4mm) underfoot which is far more from announced (5.4mm) and expected. I will try it with vipec and then decide if it stay or leave.
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10-20-2020, 07:27 AM #1985Registered User
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I have skied both 100 plus days. Last year I skied the DW as a DD and this year added the Wildcat Tour to the fleet. I have previously owned Bibbys and an earlier vintage of the DW. All of my experience is with the 190 lengths.
I think Moment does a good job of describing them. For me the DW with shifts is the ultimate I ski quiver. It is the best daily driver for me in Utah. It's fun on hard pack and triple camber really gives it an advantage over the Wildcat there. The DW is more versatile for me. Obviously if we have a 2 foot day there are better skis like the Wildcat, and I will still have a great time. I think the new DW charges almost as hard as the fat cat. The Wildcat as a DD will wear you out at 118 hence the Wildcat 108. It's not a terrible Utah DD and once I purchased my first pair of DW to me the Wildcat wasn't my number one ski anymore. I am happy to answer any specifics from my perspective if you have questions.
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10-20-2020, 01:36 PM #1986Registered User
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10-20-2020, 02:28 PM #1987Registered User
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I've had kartel 108s for the one season I was without a deathwish...I sold the kartels and bought the new DW. I loved the kartels in the spring slush and that was about it. Great skis that just didn't cover enough bases for me. I have those same DW and bindings and love the combo. Besides a Northeast blue ice day, I know any conditions that I will see I will have a good time. That includes skiing uphill or riding lifts.
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10-20-2020, 03:24 PM #1988Registered User
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10-20-2020, 05:23 PM #1989
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10-20-2020, 06:21 PM #1990
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10-20-2020, 08:04 PM #1991Registered User
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10-20-2020, 08:50 PM #1992
Yup. Skied both (bibby and bibby tour), made the switch. Similar AF. DW is better on firm snow. DW is more switch and park friendly. DW is easier to manage in bumps. In chop, the WC planes a little better. They are Really similar in pow. I can rage a little more on the WC in deep snow with the slightly more traditional mount, but...they are both excellent.
DW is just a little more fun.
Wet heavy snow, both are inferior to the billy goat.
Especially fond of the tour layup. Stability to weight ratio blew my mind.wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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10-20-2020, 09:00 PM #1993Registered User
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10-21-2020, 08:11 AM #1994
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10-21-2020, 12:18 PM #1995
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10-22-2020, 12:06 AM #1996
I committed to the DW 190 (would have happily gone 184, but I nabbed a screaming deal on blems in the longer size). I toured mostly on WC 190s last year. Loved it, but wanted something skinnier and more planted underfoot for March and later conditions.
Kept the shimmed tectons.wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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10-22-2020, 01:12 AM #1997
I'm looking for a lightweight touring setup for the Tetons. After lots of research, I was thinking I'd go with WCTs, but then I read Cy's review of the DWTs.
My understanding after a lot of reading is that the DWTs will perform better on hardpack and the WCTs will perhaps float a little better. Is that accurate? I'm leaning towards the DWTs because I feel like that they may be more versatile for touring in non-blower conditions.
Also, I'm 5'11'' and 190 lbs without gear. Should I consider the 184 CM or 190 CM length?
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10-22-2020, 01:40 AM #1998
Kevo,
I’m 5’10” and hangout around 200lb. I skied the 184 WC tour a couple seasons ago and was fine. I’m leaning towards going back to the WC over deathwish as I have other skis for less pow specific days.
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10-22-2020, 07:22 AM #1999
The WCT 108's are fine on hardpack and are my touring daily driver as they perform well in a variety of conditions. They're very quick edge to edge. I'm 5' 11" / 185 pounds - I'm on the 184's. I'd say they're more of a logical comparison to the DWT's than the regular WC Tours based on width underfoot.
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10-22-2020, 08:15 AM #2000Registered User
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No idea if it would sell, but it'd be dope to see a true touring version of the commander in the future -- something like a commander 95 in 183 with a bit of titanal, >20m radius, lower tail rocker, <1700g.
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