Moment Skis Discussion

[Rg2flp]

Who has skied both and how do you think they compare? I have had DW tour 112s for a few seasons now and while I love them some of the time I don't think they float all that great in deep snow and don't handle crud or variable super great. But everyone says the regular DW is a beast that'll handle whatever you throw at it. Wondering if it's just me or what... Just picked up some Ravens and already loving them way more for anything variable or with a wind crust. Obviously also not the best floaters in deep fresh snow but they seem to hold their own pretty well.

[Rg2flp]

I also have some OG Bibby Pros in 190 in really great condition that I'm considering letting go. 2 mounts, currently with head mojo 15s. Gauging interest?

[zion zig zag]

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Who has skied both and how do you think they compare? I have had DW tour 112s for a few seasons now and while I love them some of the time I don&#39;t think they float all that great in deep snow and don&#39;t handle crud or variable super great. But everyone says the regular DW is a beast that&#39;ll handle whatever you throw at it. Wondering if it&#39;s just me or what... Just picked up some Ravens and already loving them way more for anything variable or with a wind crust. Obviously also not the best floaters in deep fresh snow but they seem to hold their own pretty well.

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I also find the DWT to not float very well in deep pow. I am five eleven and 165, plus 15ish pounds with pack. In up to a foot or on steeper terrain they are great. They wallow in deeper or on low angle in my mind.&nbsp;</p>

[Skeeze]

I find the DWT floats about as well as the regular layup DW. I am 5 foot 11, 155lbs, on the 184cm in both versions, and I would be happy on either up to maybe 12 inches, but I choose a proper pow ski for anything over 6 inches. The DW and DWT prefers to ski in powder and make more, bouncier turns rather than surf on top. That is not my preference for how to ski pow, hence my choice to ski a proper pow ski, but for some, I could see them really enjoying the DW and DWT feeling in pow. I do find that the DW and DWT tail releases easily due to the significant tail taper, so pow performance is mostly limited by float. I could happily ski the DW just about every day inbounds, but I would not call it a charger. You can ski it plenty hard, but it requires a more active pilot vs. blasting through everything. The plus of that is that it will happily comply with lower speeds and tighter spaces.

[Kevo]

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Who has skied both and how do you think they compare? I have had DW tour 112s for a few seasons now and while I love them some of the time I don&#39;t think they float all that great in deep snow and don&#39;t handle crud or variable super great. But everyone says the regular DW is a beast that&#39;ll handle whatever you throw at it. Wondering if it&#39;s just me or what... Just picked up some Ravens and already loving them way more for anything variable or with a wind crust. Obviously also not the best floaters in deep fresh snow but they seem to hold their own pretty well.

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I own both along with Wildcats. For me the WC is the &quot;beast that&#39;ll handle whatever you throw at it&quot;.</p>
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DWT- does great in untracked snow for me. I&#39;m 205 lbs and ski the 190 cm in every moment ski that I own. I&#39;ve never had an issue with float on the DWT and most ever time I ski them I am on untracked snow.</p>
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DW- I have owned two pairs and currently have a pair. These are my favorite all around ski of all time. They are stiffer and more damp than the DWT but still very maneuverable in tight spots. I ski trees better on these skis than any other. I love these ski in any amount of fresh snow up to about 8 inches. They top out in stability before they top out on float, meaning that at my weight the tips can get bent and they can get deflected in cut up pow and crud deeper than maybe 8 inches. This means that the default mode of the ski in those conditions is &quot;turn and get deflected&quot; which causes me to have to drive them a lot more.&nbsp;I suspect that if I weighed less I&#39;d find them more stable because the tips would get bent less and deflect less. In bottomless snow I&#39;ve never had an issue with float or deflection, and I regularly ski them in bottomless in the side country, see vid here-</p>
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Wildcat- endless stability and float. These are my favorite deep pow and crud busting ski of all time. I reach for them for inbounds pow when it is deeper than what I want to ski on the DW or for big lines in the sidecountry. They are extremely maneuverable in truly 3D snow, but not quite as maneuverable as the DW, especially if you find yourself skiing a bed surface under new snow. Default mode of the ski is &quot;bust through everything and track straight without deflecting&quot;, which means I only need to put energy into the ski to turn it instead of the DW where I find myself putting energy into the ski to drive it where I want to go after it gets deflected in deep cut up pow and crud. It is much less work for me to ski the wildcat in deep inbounds condtions than the DW.&nbsp;</p>

[Sargentdrufus]

In a similar vein I have been skiing my DWT a bunch lately after being on my Meridian Tour for much of January, and I definitely prefer the DWT, and due to how much I enjoy the DWT (never found issues with float or surfiness. It is certainly surfier than the Meridian. But I digress. What I came to say is I'm finding a quiver is overrated, I think I'd rather have the DWT 104 for lower tide/firmer days but even then. This is the first real season of having any sort of quiver, and I'm finding it overrated for my tastes.

[zion zig zag]

Enough people have a different powder experience than me with the DWT that I’m willing to concede that it’s me and my technique. And honestly I’m sure I need more days and miles to make a proper call.


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[FloridaSnow]

New frankenblades. Palm trees burning. Too soon?

[hot.pocket]

Who has skied both and how do you think they compare? I have had DW tour 112s for a few seasons now and while I love them some of the time I don't think they float all that great in deep snow and don't handle crud or variable super great. But everyone says the regular DW is a beast that'll handle whatever you throw at it. Wondering if it's just me or what... Just picked up some Ravens and already loving them way more for anything variable or with a wind crust. Obviously also not the best floaters in deep fresh snow but they seem to hold their own pretty well.

We produced these prior to the fires with the plan to drop them on Valentine's day. It's also a rerun graphic from 2019/20.

[hot.pocket]

Quoted post above was for FloridaSnow, idk what happened.

[DoubleBogey]

TGR forums are fucked

[TeleBeaver]

Zion - I found the regular layup deathwish to be the same in powder. Bogs down at low speeds/angle in anything bottomless. Excellent for 3in over hard. Not great for 12in+. Glad people enjoy them but the DW would be far from my first choice for a powder touring ski.

[kingslien542]

Sargentdrufus, any chance you want to unload those meridian tours??

[Sargentdrufus]

Sargentdrufus, any chance you want to unload those meridian tours??

Tbd

[kingslien542]

Anyone running pins on their GT and using them for double overhead tours? How is it?

[SnowMachine]

Pretty sure I want some 190 Wildcats. I feel like they will not disappoint. I want a big mountain brawler for weeks like this past one. Not really pow, but blown in soft and chalk. A 190 108 might be the ticket, too. Mental masturbation. I love my 184 Deathwishes, but when I want to go fast, I need more length/mass!! The Commamder is a beast in those conditions, but a tiny bit lacking in versatility and playfulness.

[Tailwind]

No clue what a double overhead tour is…. But yeah. Pins on 194 Ghost Trains. Marker Alpinist. They are very fun. I would take them out on a long day in the right conditions but it’s mainly 3k days so far. Just a fun playful powder ski. A bit heavy compared to a Deathwish tour but I’ve had much heavier setups. Firm side hilling sucks… but that is not news on a 124mm wide ski.

Pretty sure I want some 190 Wildcats. I feel like they will not disappoint. I want a big mountain brawler for weeks like this past one. Not really pow, but blown in soft and chalk. A 190 108 might be the ticket, too. Mental masturbation. I love my 184 Deathwishes, but when I want to go fast, I need more length/mass!! The Commamder is a beast in those conditions, but a tiny bit lacking in versatility and playfulness.

[kingslien542]

Sweet, thanks for the beta. Was just meaning for deep touring days. Are you happy with having gone 194 and not opting for the 186 to shave some weight? I currently have some 186 CB for my Baker resort pow day set up that I love. But as soon as you get out of the inbounds stuff the terrain opens up and isn’t nearly as tight so the 194s seem justifiable from a maneuverability standpoint.

[Tailwind]

No concerns with the 194. The ski takes really limited input so a beefy touring boot drives it fine. I ski tight trees on them often with no issues so I’m not really sure what the 186cm would offer me. I’m 6’1” and 160lbs. It’s a little bigger than something like a 190cm Deathwish but honestly will a few cm really be make or break at this length. I toured on a 186cm renegade for years and loved it. The 194cm GT is a quiver ski but I think it would be a great setup for Baker.

[kingslien542]

Sounds like 194 is the move, thanks man

[Poorhouse]

Spent the last 3 days on my regular DW112s in the heart of a storm cycle. Nice mix of bottomless blower, 2-3" of blower on ice, chop, packed pow, soft moguls, and 3D pow as temps rose yesterday.Normally I would have taken bigger boards, but I sold my last pair and the new ones aren't mounted yet. The DW handled it all beautifully. No it doesn't float as well as something 118+ but it is very fun in deep stuff. You're just a bit deeper in the pow than you would be on bigger boards.They are one of my favorite skis in anything variable. Extremely confidence inspiring as they have a huge sweet spot. They are quick and easy to pivot but still rail chop back to the lift.I'll be happy to get on the new big boards, but if I ever have to go to a 1 ski quiver it would be DWs.

[Travist185]

East Coast Moment skiers: WC101 or DW104? I ski all over the mountain from groomers to glades. What would be your go to one ski quiver?

[FloridaSnow]

East Coast Moment skiers: WC101 or DW104? I ski all over the mountain from groomers to glades. What would be your go to one ski quiver?

dw104. They&#39;re a better one ski do it all in a variety of conditions. Better on firm and ice too.

[pappag]

Anyone mount their 194 GTs at -2?

Had a couple deep days on them but feel the suggested doesn't suit my style.

[DoubleBogey]

Just going to echo some previous posters. The Wildcat 190 (118) is a little harsher on groomers than Countach but they are (much) better in deeper snow for me. So much snow in the back bowls at Vail, in spots I pushed my pole down and couldnt find the bottom.