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01-08-2020, 12:05 PM #1201
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01-08-2020, 01:22 PM #1202Registered User
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Hey all, looking for some advice on finishing my 3 ski quiver off for the west. Currently have my Jeff96s for some park jumps and mostly shallow mountain days, K108s for anything else. I'd like to get a more remounted ski that can handle a range of conditions and ski the deep days. I'd like to not give up my twin tips, but move to a more rearward ski that can charge a bit, ski pow and still handle hardpack days and not be horrible on ice. From what I'm reading the wildcat can do that? Also, if I go wildcats, should I stick with my Attack 13s or make the switch to pivots?
Thanks for the help!
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01-08-2020, 01:30 PM #1203
I needed to get a more aggressive structure on my kids Carson’s, went 1/2 with detuned to contact piints
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01-08-2020, 03:14 PM #1204
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01-08-2020, 03:55 PM #1205Registered User
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01-09-2020, 07:33 PM #1208Registered User
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Sweet. I'm probably going with those in 184!
Just out of curiosity, anyone ever find themselves on wind-scoured, hard pack or "frozen granular" with them (Not sure If ever see much real, "ice" in the West/AZ)? Just curious how the edges grab compared with the Jeff 96s, or in case I go see a buddy out east.
Hope you guys have a great season!
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01-09-2020, 10:56 PM #1210Registered User
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I have some Wildcats in a 190cm I’ve been trying to sell. Love the ski... just a lot of quiver overlap.
I’m wondering if anyone has made the shift from -1cm Forward to +1cm of recommended? How much more playful do they feel mounted forward?
I have a lot of charger skis and I’ve been curious about going to something really playful for messing around, something along the lines of the current Sir Francis Bacon. That being said... I’m wondering about just remounting an keeping them because I am a big attached to them.
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01-10-2020, 08:21 AM #1212
blg, that's awesome!
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01-10-2020, 10:26 AM #1213
Moment Skis Discussion
10!?!? WOW, that is definitely awesome!!
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01-10-2020, 11:43 AM #1215Registered User
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Hey folks.
Got a pair of 190 cm Deathwish Tours that I'll be mounting up very soon. Dedicated touring rig. Touring for soft snow.
Given that I am coming off a more traditionally mounted ski (185cm Zero G 108), and in my case if I'm descending tails-first something has gone horribly wrong, I am thinking I might mount the DWT's -1 cm behind the line to give me a little more ski out in front. I figure +/- one cm is no big deal, but wondering if anyone here has direct experience riding the DW slightly behind the factory line.
Thanks for your time.
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01-10-2020, 11:45 AM #1216
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01-10-2020, 12:02 PM #1217Registered User
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What’s your height and weight? If you are heavy / tall you might move back...
I have tours mount on the line. My resort setup is really directional and I like the DW on the line. I’m 6’3” but 165lbs. In the backcountry I think it’s nice to be able to turn more from a neutral stance and I don’t always drive the tips of the skis because ideally you are in soft conditions.
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01-10-2020, 12:27 PM #1218Registered User
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6'1" 180 lbs without gear.
Yeah, I have to ski centered on the ZeroGs when it's deep to keep the tips up. Not expecting to drive the tips of the DWT, but worried that even with the 190 cm, I've got less ski out in front of me. Thought a wee bit back might be advantageous in deep pow. You feel plenty balanced in the soft on your DWT?
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01-10-2020, 01:49 PM #1219Registered User
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I think that the DW is great on the line or forward of it. I also don't think moving a cm back would be terrible, and I wouldn't do it.
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01-10-2020, 03:12 PM #1220Registered User
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01-10-2020, 06:41 PM #1221Registered User
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I toured on 190 DWs mounted -1 (-6 from centre) for a few seasons and liked them there. Have since mounted then alpine on the line and can’t say I notice a huge difference, but I don’t ski them on deep days, so who knows? I’d go -1 and enjoy the shit out of them.
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01-10-2020, 06:43 PM #1222Registered User
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184 Wildcat tours.
Straight pull has 1804mm to the saddle in the tail.
True centre marked at 902mm.
The recommended triangle mark measures to 973mm, which is basically -7cm, a full 1cm behind -6cm.
I'm wondering if the saddle in the tail on the tour (for the skin clip), interferes with a true centre measurement?
Even still the reco is pretty far back.
Also, fwiw, the other ski reco line measured .5cm even further back...
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01-10-2020, 06:53 PM #1223
Looks to me like they use the same sidewall marking as the non-tour version and that little saddle/skin notch in the back removes about 2cm from the total length.....which would put the recommended right in the ballpark. Center mark would move the depth of the skin notch toward the tip compared to non-tour. Seems like I remember Luke discussing that on a Blister podcast back when.
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01-10-2020, 06:57 PM #1224
Hot daaammmmmnnnn. That ski looks so good.
So I’m really digging the 190 DW as a low tide/slightly soft conditions ski. Trustworthy across a range of conditions and super fun. Feels a little jibby but can also tolerate and respond well to aggressive tip pressure.
Should I size down for touring duties? Make skinning easier, save some weight etc? Or stick with the length I like?
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01-10-2020, 07:00 PM #1225Registered User
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Just checked and blister have the 19/20 Wildcat 184 (non tour) straight pull at 181.6cm
So 12mm more, which means centre is 6mm further back than my measurement.
There's also the issue of the other ski's reco line being .5cm even further back.
I'm being super anal because A) these skis are GD rad (expensive) and I wanna get it right, and B) because I really really really don't want to be mounted forward.
Appreciate the help.
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