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02-24-2020, 09:59 PM #1526Registered User
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I wouldn't say the DW skis "longer" just felt a little more damp and had a slightly higher speeds limit on the run outs. Both are super easy to turn, either on edge or flat. I was in a similar sitch w/ 190 Bibbys in the quiver and decided on the WC108 190. Like conventional wisdom suggests, if I had to buy one ski for Tahoe it would be the DW. Not sure that helps you any but my $.02...
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02-24-2020, 10:09 PM #1527Registered User
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02-25-2020, 07:41 AM #1528
Yeah, I mean, we all obsess over this stuff but they’re only 4mm wider underfoot.
I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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02-25-2020, 09:12 AM #1529
thoughts on the 2020 PB&J? looking for a solid all mountain freestyle ski that I can rip on groomers but also playful for natural hits and glades
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02-25-2020, 10:15 AM #1530Registered User
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This is exactly my sentiments. I ski a very centered stance and my WCs allow me to bounce and fly over the chop vs plowing through it. I A/B tested my WC108s and my ON3P Steeples which are basically just a thinner billygoat and the difference between the bouncing and the plowing was insanely noticeable. Both are fun and have their place for sure.
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02-25-2020, 11:00 AM #1531Registered User
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02-25-2020, 12:35 PM #1532
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02-25-2020, 12:56 PM #1533
I'm 6', 195#. Skied the 188 C108. I think another 200 grams (half-pound per ski) would probably reduce how much it gets tossed in chunkier stuff at high speeds. I didn't weigh the ski, but I think it weighs in about 2050 grams/ski in that size. Most chargers weigh about 2200-2500 in the size/shape.
That said, the ski was super fun - way stronger and more precise on groomers (IMO) than the Deathwish and PBJ, nice strong layup, and relatively stiff. Pretty solid off-piste too on hardpack, and did great on firm/"ice". Nice poppy tail despite a stiffer layup. I just prefer a heavier ski in this slot for cruddy, heavy snow. OG Cochise-heavy. This year, California is a desert, so I did not test in any 3D snow.
ETA: I played with the mount point, trying rec, +1, and +2. I liked +1 the best. Fun ski. Wouldn't be surprised if I get a pair ....someday....Last edited by meter-man; 02-25-2020 at 01:43 PM.
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02-25-2020, 02:37 PM #1534
commander 108 in the 188 weighs in at 2250 g per the specs
https://www.momentskis.com/products/commander-108
how was the tail, easy/hard to break loose?
I'm looking for something in the 102-108 range for my low snow ski to complement a 182 GPO for resort skiing (2 ski inbounds quiver).Aggressive in my own mind
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02-25-2020, 02:46 PM #1535
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02-25-2020, 02:53 PM #1536
love it.
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02-25-2020, 03:31 PM #1537
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02-25-2020, 04:50 PM #1538
HAB, looks like you're right. I did not weigh these C108s. I was going off of feel, and then read somewhere about them weighing 2050 grams (evo.com?). I was hoping they would have a bit more of a steamroller feel to them...these felt more like brawny all-mountain/freeskiing sticks than heavy metal steamrollers. Still, a great ski, and I would buy for the right price.
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02-25-2020, 05:12 PM #1539
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02-25-2020, 07:00 PM #1540Registered User
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I’ve wondered a lot about the Commander 118 due to the extra mass over the 108. Also longer turn radius.
I would love to hear some feedback from people if anyone has been on both. I’ve really wondered about a Commander 118 with shifts as a heavy touring setup...
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02-25-2020, 10:03 PM #1541Registered User
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The 188 commander 108 2018/19 is probably my all time favorite ski. I could be happy skiing it in any condition any day. To those that say it’s too light, just go faster. It actually feels more stable in junky snow the faster it is skied.
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02-25-2020, 11:39 PM #1542
Its great on groomers and natural hits in open terrain. I struggle with it in tight trees and deeper bumps. They are just so stiff.
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02-26-2020, 07:57 AM #1543
for those who've skied the commander, ideally 108.
Have you skied it in tighter spaces like slowroastin' mentions and found the stiffness to be an issue, or does the stiffness not matter so much because of the rocker/taper profile on the commander 108 contributing to a looser design?Last edited by hoarhey; 02-26-2020 at 07:57 AM. Reason: punctuation
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02-26-2020, 09:42 AM #1544Registered User
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I am not a park rat so I’m not sure how stiff the PBJ is versus a normal park ski, but I find it very good in tight terrain relative to the metal laminate chargers I otherwise use. I also don’t think they’re that stiff and I got one made stiffer than stock.
Agree they’re super fun on natural hits and slightly soft to very soft groomers. Don’t think they’re great in 3D snow (at least custom stiff ones aren’t) or super icy groomers.
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02-26-2020, 10:22 AM #1545
My first day on my 108 194s i took them down Avy Chutes at Mammoth (Avy 2, its pretty narrow and steep, bumps at the top, soft chop the rest of the way), and immediately thought, wow these are super easy to pivot and get across the fall line.
Didnt even think about the stiffness, I dont think thats a factor or an issue. It has more to do with the small radius and small effective edge (increased tip and tail taper), that make them so maneuvarable.
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02-26-2020, 10:23 AM #1546
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02-26-2020, 05:11 PM #1547Registered User
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Another POV from a stormy morning in the Wasatch with the Deathwish Tours.
The snow came in really dense with high winds, so no champagne blower. Solo backcountry tour, so no exciting terrain.
But the DWTs did their job and made for an enjoyable morning.
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02-26-2020, 08:52 PM #1548Registered User
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My 2015 pb&js hand flex stiffer than my 2019 deathwishes and my wren 96s. They also feel stiffer on the snow. They are more maneuverable than the wrens by quite a bit because of the shape though. I think the pb&js are nice and quick in bumps and trees, if the long tail does get hung up on a bump on occasion.
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02-26-2020, 08:56 PM #1549Registered User
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02-27-2020, 12:21 PM #1550Registered User
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