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Thread: Moment Skis Discussion
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01-05-2021, 11:38 PM #2351Registered User
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01-05-2021, 11:53 PM #2352
I find the DWT to be a variable conditions crushing machine. I have not skied the WCT versions though I am going to assume large similarity between them all and that all probably do well in less than ideal conditions.
It's been a lot of less than great snow in the Wasatch this year, and the DWT has performed consistently and solidly in a variety of conditions.
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01-06-2021, 12:23 AM #2353
I'm struggling to get the DWT to click in variable. The outside tail edge likes to get caught up on any crust or compacted snow it can find and not release. Mounted -2cm with tectons. Not a bad ski but maybe just not for me, I think I'm more of a WC guy.
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01-06-2021, 08:25 AM #2354
Ive found beveling the tip and tail base edges at 1.5-2* helps almost any ski perform better in variable snow. Kind of like detuning, but you get to keep more of your edges sharp.
Also, make sure they’re not edge high. Wide and light touring skis seem to like to turn slightly railed as they break in, in my experience.
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01-06-2021, 08:47 AM #2355
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01-06-2021, 10:32 AM #2356
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01-06-2021, 10:42 AM #2357Registered User
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01-06-2021, 01:03 PM #2358
I've posted a WTB thread in gear swap but figured I'd throw it out here as well for more vizability. If anyone has a 19/20 184 WCT108 that they'd part with I'm yer man.
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01-06-2021, 01:31 PM #2359
My take on DW vs. WC. For reference, I have / had had 184 original Bibby's, 184 Bibby tour, 190 WC 108, 184 DW, 184 DWT, and a few other Moments that aren't all that relevant to this discussion. I'm mounted on the line on all of those skis.
DWT in a 184 is my touring ski. I like it over the Wildcat 108 because the Deathwish feels a little more versatile in different snow types. Despite its slightly wider width, I feel like the triple camber hooks up better on harder snow. The Wildcat has deeper rocker lines which make it smeary, but can also make it feel like it has a pretty short running length as things get firmer. I also find that deep rocker lines with a fair amount of splay (like the Wildcat) can be a little funky in chopped up snow - they're harder to predict.
I don't want to make it sound like the Wildcat is terrible by any means. It's kind of splitting hairs. But, for whatever it's worth, I've had a bunch of different skis set up for touring over the years, and the DWT is hands down my favorite. Floats well for when things are legitimately deep. Carves well (at least by 110 waist standards) for when things are legitimately firm. Light enough for reasonably big days, but not so light that it feels like skiing on a carbon toothpick.
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01-06-2021, 02:16 PM #2360
Good talk all - love the diff perspectives
All great skis - we're totally splitting hairs. Don't think you can go wrong with either. Hands down my favorite is high praise - makes me want to try the DWT. [But you've missed the best touring ski of all time...the Praxis Protest... that's a discussion for another thread.]sproing!
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01-06-2021, 03:03 PM #2361
Ha - I've never owned a Protest. I need to change that.
I did have a Praxis Concept a while back. Similar premise as the DW's triple camber, but the Concept also had a wavy sidecut that matched the camber profile. Ultimately, I preferred the Deathwish - much more easy going.
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01-06-2021, 08:37 PM #2362
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01-06-2021, 09:11 PM #2363
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01-06-2021, 09:42 PM #2364
Huh. Wonder what melee would say about that. More predictable fwd of the line perhaps? I’m at +0.5. Don’t think I would change. Put them there to make sure the nose would stay up in deep snow.
Also made a habit of skiing them with a 2.5 year old on my back. Some of my favorite laps.wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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01-06-2021, 10:09 PM #2365Registered User
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01-06-2021, 11:39 PM #2367
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01-07-2021, 06:57 AM #2368Registered User
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Fwiw I ride all of my other skis on the reccomended line, but most of those skis have a rec line from -9 to -11. My pb&js at -5 are fun on hardpack up to 2 inches, but as soon as things get deep at all they constantly want to stuff tip, especially in heavier snow. Combination of mount, tip stiffness, and tele creating a lot of tip pressure makes them pretty much suck in powder. I tried them mounted further back (-7.5) but they were less fun everywhere else and hardly any better in pow. The deathwishes have enough surface area and a softer flex up front to have plenty of float so they don't have this issue at all.
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01-07-2021, 03:22 PM #2369Johnny Poppinoffastuff
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Now that's a fucking touring quiver. Should I put touring bindings on my protests?? They're so heavy, but god damn would they be fun.
To keep this relevant: picked up some meridian tours and am really digging them the few days I've gotten them out, but here's the weird thing - took a few inbounds laps in them and noticed on hard snow they felt a little like they had that distinctive triple camber bite. Then looking at the rocker profile I swear it's some sort of ungodly mix of full-ish rocker and triple camber. Definitely different from OG meridian. I'm sorta confused, possibly delusional.
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01-07-2021, 03:55 PM #2370
So far I have 6 days on this year's DWT and freaking love them. Kingpins on the line. 3 resort days and 3 days in the woods. My only note is that they don't like to be driven gingerly. Not a surprise for a ski from Moment. Obviously not as aggressive on the groomer as my gov's or cat's but they rail pretty damn good if you're committed.
My next mystery for this topic is the Pressure Drop. Taking a pair in tomorrow to get mounted. Appears they are Wildcat 101's but time will tell. I'll fill y'all in, in a couple days. Looking forward to rippin them. Anybody rocked those sticks yet?
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01-07-2021, 04:26 PM #2371
I also have Meridian Tours, and they also have triple camber. Doesn't look like much (although I've never seen a Deathwish in person), but you can definitely put the skis together in such a way that both the center of the ski and either somewhere near either the tip or tail are touching. Kind of like the Ghost Train rocker profile, but less extreme.
Can't say I really notice it while skiing. The skis seem to have excellent edge grip, which is fine with me.kittyhump.com - Fund Max, Cat Appreciation, Bike
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01-07-2021, 05:17 PM #2372
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01-07-2021, 06:42 PM #2374Johnny Poppinoffastuff
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