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    FWIW, I’d love to see the Commander go narrower.....

    88mm would be perfect here in the East & would temp more folks over to your skis.

    I’ve been looking at the catalog and wondering what’s narrower that I would like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
    FWIW, I’d love to see the Commander go narrower.....

    88mm would be perfect here in the East & would temp more folks over to your skis.

    I’ve been looking at the catalog and wondering what’s narrower that I would like!
    Question to a legit skier/family....if in previous posts you say the 98 does it all...slices and dices, carves, etc....why the need to go narrower?

    Not being a dick...just always wondering why “going narrower” (ie. PugSki) is so sought after...when you have a 98 that is so good at doing what you need it to. Why ski a 78/88....when the 98 already rips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC. View Post
    Question to a legit skier/family....if in previous posts you say the 98 does it all...slices and dices, carves, etc....why the need to go narrower?

    Not being a dick...just always wondering why “going narrower” (ie. PugSki) is so sought after...when you have a 98 that is so good at doing what you need it to. Why ski a 78/88....when the 98 already rips?
    Question is totally legit and appreciated. I would say that there are a number of individuals who are turned off by a ski that is almost 100 mm wide and would not consider it because of that. That said - I’m older (43), however still as sponsored skier & as a vocation, I am a physio and strength conditioning coach- not representative of your average skier.

    A narrower ride would be more manageable across a wider range & in the East: more desirable in the trees and bumps.

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    Moment Skis Discussion

    Thanks...I just sometimes wonder why so much disdain for wider skis (on Pug)... I love mine (Katanas) and really don’t want to go back to a <88 ski. Different strokes for different folks. No worries.

    Sorry, don’t want to shit up this thread. I enjoy reading about the Moment Mag discussion...

    Carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC. View Post
    Question to a legit skier/family....if in previous posts you say the 98 does it all...slices and dices, carves, etc....why the need to go narrower?

    Not being a dick...just always wondering why “going narrower” (ie. PugSki) is so sought after...when you have a 98 that is so good at doing what you need it to. Why ski a 78/88....when the 98 already rips?
    A lot of us have spent so much time on wider skis in recent years (98 being the low end) that we're kinda shocked at how well something narrower actually performs on groomers and in bumps. At least that was my personal experience. So I get it.

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    ^ & the ‘admission width’ for being a Moment consumer is 98mm. The Commander 98 is a solid ride, but most intermediate/advancing skiers don’t want to work a ski that hard to ski the groomers & unfortunately that’s a ton of the market. FWIW - my Jaguar Sharks are one of my favorite skis when I’m not plotting to be in the trees/bumps.

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    That's interesting. For me, that's one of the last things I look for in a ski because I haven't found a ski with traditional sidecut that you can't carve up groomers on. That's one reason I ended up on my 116mm Bibbys... they can rip groomers pretty damn well. Does it carve like a GS ski? Of course not. But to me, groomers are mostly for a fun, quick, and leisurely run down to the lift... and pretty much any ski with traditional sidecut will do that for me.

    Different strokes of course, I don't aspire to be a racer... but it makes me wonder how many people who are only in it for a leisurely day on the mountain actually benefit from skinny skis.

    And tangentially... same with teaching beginners on cambered skis. I don't see why people aren't learning on flat bases or even slight reverse camber. It'd make catching an edge way less common and make it easier for them break out the tails and learn the muscle memory for a skate stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
    ^ & the ‘admission width’ for being a Moment consumer is 98mm. The Commander 98 is a solid ride, but most intermediate/advancing skiers don’t want to work a ski that hard to ski the groomers & unfortunately that’s a ton of the market. FWIW - my Jaguar Sharks are one of my favorite skis when I’m not plotting to be in the trees/bumps.
    Plenty of skis coming out of China and Austria fit what those people are looking for. An easy going east coast groomer ski doesn’t seem to fit with Moment’s current philosophy, and most of us are very thankful for that.

    Btw, it appears Moment had a record sales year with most skis selling out.

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    Moment Skis Discussion

    There have been multiple industry blog type internet posts pushing for narrow skis this year, setting the marketing stage for spring sales and sales for 19/20. It appears that some of the ski companies in coordination with some retailers (most specifically REI) are gonna push to sell skus for skis narrower than 90mm underfoot. Several of the posts are alluding to a “you’re doing wrong” tone, directed towards customers. Some ski companies have even stated that they are pushing on narrower skis this season and maybe next and will then push the pendulum back to wider skis....

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    Debating on whether to get a Wildcat Tour or a Wildcat 108 Tour. Already have a shit snow touring setup so this is more of a middle of winter touring setup. Anyone skied both and can elaborate more on the difference?


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    I got the 190 DW this year, skiing interior BC/Colorado. Love' em, hold up awesome is almost all terrain, and carve really nice once I'm up to speed

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    If your thinking 'non shit snow' I don't see a lot of downsides to the regular Wildcat unless the weight really matters.

    The 108 is a little lighter and will likely be 'very slightly' better in some snow conditions but worse in the soft stuff. The regular wildcat tour is already plenty light in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by PNW_Skier206 View Post
    Debating on whether to get a Wildcat Tour or a Wildcat 108 Tour. Already have a shit snow touring setup so this is more of a middle of winter touring setup. Anyone skied both and can elaborate more on the difference?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailwind View Post
    If your thinking 'non shit snow' I don't see a lot of downsides to the regular Wildcat unless the weight really matters.

    The 108 is a little lighter and will likely be 'very slightly' better in some snow conditions but worse in the soft stuff. The regular wildcat tour is already plenty light in my opinion.
    Bibby tour (std wildcat tour) is incredibly good at skiing firm snow. I doubt the 108 is significantly better. I bet the 116 is significantly better in pow
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    That’s what I’m thinking. It would be < 5000 vert days so like 100-200 grams doesn’t matter that much


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    Quote Originally Posted by PNW_Skier206 View Post
    That’s what I’m thinking. It would be < 5000 vert days so like 100-200 grams doesn’t matter that much


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    Just to echo what was said, I own the 108 Tour but have never skied a full width Cat. I fucking love the 108 tour as a one ski quiver for touring and they’re a strong choice for a narrower travel ski.

    That said, I think the 108, like most 108 skis, is a very good one ski quiver for softer snow conditions but not a great pow ski if you weigh more than a typical 15 year old girl. I think the biggest casualty of going wider is probably tight runs (trees and couloirs), not weight but I don’t really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    There have been multiple industry blog type internet posts pushing for narrow skis this year, setting the marketing stage for spring sales and sales for 19/20. It appears that some of the ski companies in coordination with some retailers (most specifically REI) are gonna push to sell skus for skis narrower than 90mm underfoot. Several of the posts are alluding to a “you’re doing wrong” tone, directed towards customers. Some ski companies have even stated that they are pushing on narrower skis this season and maybe next and will then push the pendulum back to wider skis....
    Yep - gotta hype it one way or the other to keep moving product. And I *hate* that tone you're referring to, it bugs the shit out of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Yep - gotta hype it one way or the other to keep moving product. And I *hate* that tone you're referring to, it bugs the shit out of me.
    Word. Love it when you get comments on the lift w the same tone. Yet somehow it's never the guys on 'race room gs skis' skiing faster than me or my buddies...

    Also x3 on getting the full on wildcat tour. Soft snow performance is worth the grams

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    Quote Originally Posted by sruffian View Post
    Also x3 on getting the full on wildcat tour. Soft snow performance is worth the grams
    Per Moment's website:

    W108 Tour in 190: 3.54 kg
    W Tour in 190: 3.65 kg

    Melee, is that right?? Seems odd that a ski ~10% smaller only weighs 3% less. Also, the W108 Tour copy says "The 108 version comes in at ten millimeters skinnier and almost a full pound lighter than its wider counterpart"

    I am considering a W108 Tour for an everyday touring stick, but that weight differential has me curious.

    Anyone have a review of the W108 Tour???
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhetherMan View Post
    Rad.

    I hear he only has eyes for Ryan Gosling, but by all means, lay on the charm and get a pair! I begged and pleaded with one of the moment guys, but sounded like no-go this year for mere mortals such as myself

    My biggest complaint about the govy is the lack of energy in the ski. Probably contributes to it's excellent stability, but from my brief experience on the Commander 98, that construction will provide a lot more life.
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    Hmm, I think the Govy has good amount of energy for being as wide as it is. Certainly more than a BG. Just need to load up that tail, takes a bit of speed or some mass.

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    Okay, so loooooong time coming but just ordered my first pair of Moments... some Wildcat 108's. Mount them on the line? I'm generally a directional skier but I don't mind a healthy dose of tail rocker, so long as I can still drive the front of the skis. For perspective, my pow skis are Black Crows Nocta's and they're relatively forward mounted and I ski them on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Okay, so loooooong time coming but just ordered my first pair of Moments... some Wildcat 108's. Mount them on the line? I'm generally a directional skier but I don't mind a healthy dose of tail rocker, so long as I can still drive the front of the skis. For perspective, my pow skis are Black Crows Nocta's and they're relatively forward mounted and I ski them on the line.
    You get them at 184 or 190? I haven’t skied the 108s (not many people have) but I’ve skied OG Bibby’s in both 184 and 190 on the line and at +1 and I’ve always liked best on the line. Don’t think moving forward makes sense unless you spin and land switch and ton since they are already pretty quick as long as you have even a little speed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PNW_Skier206 View Post
    You get them at 184 or 190? I haven’t skied the 108s (not many people have) but I’ve skied OG Bibby’s in both 184 and 190 on the line and at +1 and I’ve always liked best on the line. Don’t think moving forward makes sense unless you spin and land switch and ton since they are already pretty quick as long as you have even a little speed.


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    Got them in 184 so they’re a bit shorter for trees and bumps or whatever. My Noctas are 190. And yeah, if anything I’m wondering if I should mount behind the line, definitely not in front.

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    J - I skied some demo 108's in 190 and played around with the boot center. On the line was dialed. You can drive the tips old school style or ski neutral at that point - respond well to both

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