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Thread: Moment Skis Discussion
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08-02-2021, 02:35 PM #3051Registered User
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So stoked they added a skinny deathwish. My PB&Death dreams come alive.
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08-02-2021, 02:50 PM #3052
Well I got divorced and sold my house.
That said I bought
DW 104
DW (never been on one)
New WC 190 ( I wanted the new graphic and because... Reasons.)
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08-02-2021, 05:37 PM #3053Registered User
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08-02-2021, 06:02 PM #3054
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08-03-2021, 09:04 AM #3055
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08-03-2021, 10:22 AM #3056
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08-03-2021, 10:36 AM #3057Registered User
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Our quivers will match! And i also just got divorced (but kept the house lol) -- Pulled trigger on the 104.
I have a DWT as well which is an incredible touring rig.
I find the decision between the DW and the WC118 is actually tough on some days, but ultimately matters little. The DW is the best one ski travel quiver ever.
You should consider a CB to make your life even more difficult.
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08-03-2021, 11:00 AM #3058
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08-04-2021, 03:18 PM #3059
My Chipotle Bananas have butt cheeks all over them.
Butt Cheeks.
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08-04-2021, 03:49 PM #3060
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08-05-2021, 06:54 PM #3061Registered User
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I'm Considering DW104s for next year. I've never been on moment's before. Some of the reviews online describe the regular deathwish as lighter and more playful. While I am not super concerned about weight I do like a pretty damp ski. Love my on3p woodsman's and custom praxis concepts with a heavy hitter core, but not super stoked on a stock enduro core praxis mvp. Where do the DW104s likely line up in dampness? I know they are new so not expecting a ton of info, just general guesses. The shape and width/length options are pretty spot on for what I am looking for but I know the core can make a big difference.
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08-05-2021, 07:11 PM #3062
The Deathwish 104 will ski more damp than an OG Deathwish or Wildcat.
The Deathwish 104 has its own flex profile paired with a very damp aspen and European beech wood core (same core materials as the stock Commander series).
It also has thicker tip and tail spacers which add weight and dampen out the ride ( side note: every ski in the stock Deathwish and Wildcat series now have this thick tip tail spacer).
It's a different ride than anything we have made historically.
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08-05-2021, 07:31 PM #3063Registered User
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“It also has thicker tip and tail spacers which add weight and dampen out the ride ( side note: every ski in the stock Deathwish and Wildcat series now have this thick tip tail spacer).”
Does this mean that the 2022 DW is more damp them previous years?
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08-05-2021, 07:55 PM #3064
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08-05-2021, 08:20 PM #3065Registered User
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08-05-2021, 09:16 PM #3066
^^^Also curious about this - guessing the answer includes stance and mount point...
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08-06-2021, 04:04 AM #3067
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08-06-2021, 07:14 AM #3068I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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08-06-2021, 08:54 AM #3069
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08-06-2021, 01:49 PM #3070Registered User
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The Commander 98 is stiffer, damper and quicker edge to edge than the Deathwish 104 due to the metal laminates. Specifically the full-width metal which extends over the sidewall underfoot which allows for more driving power to the edge. Since the Commander 98 mounts at -10 and has a flatter tail it's faster edge to edge and more planted than the DW104, it also has a longer effective edge. That means it won't pivot as easily, is more locked in and likes to be driven a bit harder but will reward you for doing so.
The Deathwish 104 on the other hand, mounting at -6 and having a twin tip is a lot easier to pivot and break loose. The thicker beech core provides a lot of torsional rigidity so it's still very fast edge to edge, just not quite as fast as the CMD98. The Triple Camber does however give the DW104 a lot more energy and pop while retaining a ton of edge hold. The 104 being 6mm wider will also do a little better when there is some softer snow to be had.
So if you want something that can be driven hard but is more lively and easier to throw around the DW104 is more appropriate but if you want maximum quickness edge to edge and a little more driving power with a more planted and locked in feel then go for the CMD98. Preference between the two really comes down to mount point and whether you want a flat tail vs a twin.
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08-06-2021, 03:17 PM #3071Registered User
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I've been on neither, but this seems like an excellent summary - thanks!
man, I thought that thinking about the new commander tour had me at peak interest for the new line, but this post just amped the scale up to 12!
Man, ON3P and Moment are just delivering their(/your) A++ game for this coming season - all the updates you guys are doing are just spot on. Color me impressed
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08-06-2021, 09:50 PM #3072Banned
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08-07-2021, 07:03 AM #3073Registered User
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08-07-2021, 07:27 AM #3074
Been a couple years since my only moment ski, Jaguar shark, but I sure like what I am seeing from them. Quiver is mostly down to four skis and seems set for a while, but I will take a look at Moment again next time I am in the market
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08-07-2021, 08:01 AM #3075
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