Moment Skis Discussion

[Eastside]

[QUOTE=FloridaSnow;7145369]Having both the trains and the Countach 110 I can confidently say I think your itch will be scratched. Ghost trains this season countach next. Both problems solved[/QUOTE

Dammit.

[wwwicz]

If you were to add 2 more moments to a lineup what would you get? I'm tahoe based with a set of Commander 92's - love em for for low snow and spring conditions. Got some Voile Hypervectors with ATKs for BC. I probably do 70/30 backcountry/resort.

I'd love to get some skis that don't overlap completely (i.e. not wc 108 and wct 108s). I imagine a bigger resort ski for when theres some snow, and then a set of touring with pin bindings that might get some double use at the resort on deep days.

Any advice?

[FloridaSnow]

If you were to add 2 more moments to a lineup what would you get? I'm tahoe based with a set of Commander 92's - love em for for low snow and spring conditions. Got some Voile Hypervectors with ATKs for BC. I probably do 70/30 backcountry/resort.

I'd love to get some skis that don't overlap completely (i.e. not wc 108 and wct 108s). I imagine a bigger resort ski for when theres some snow, and then a set of touring with pin bindings that might get some double use at the resort on deep days.

Any advice?

sounds like you need a chipotle banana and a Dwt.

[wwwicz]

sounds like you need a chipotle banana and a Dwt.

Interesting combo that I hadn't considered. I've been eyeing the meridian, but have never skied fully rockered skis before. How does the extra 15mm waist on the chipotle compare to the meridian? Widest ski I've had was a RMU north shore when I lived in Colorado - it was great when there was 8"+ of snow.

[GoSlowGoFar]

sounds like you need a chipotle banana and a Dwt.

I like the DWT as a quiver of one bc ski but think that the WCT would be a better bet for a fatter touring ski that could potentially get some resort use. Even if you weren’t using it in the resort I’d go Wildcat Tour due to the slightly better float over the DWT.

CB would definitely be a fun resort pow ski and I know people will argue that it’s more versatile than one would think but that’s a big gap between the C92 and CB. Would probably also say Wildcat is the ticket for you in bounds as well.

[FloridaSnow]

Interesting combo that I hadn't considered. I've been eyeing the meridian, but have never skied fully rockered skis before. How does the extra 15mm waist on the chipotle compare to the meridian? Widest ski I've had was a RMU north shore when I lived in Colorado - it was great when there was 8"+ of snow.

Meridian is a great ski. I have those as well. Used them in CO and Tahoe last season. They’re tons of fun up until they’re not. They absolutely hate firm and icy Conditions because of the full rocker.

that’s why I said the CB and a dwt112. The dw line up absolutely slays firm and icy conditions. I’m not talking super low tide where your commander’s are perfect but when you get some snow and things either firm up or when they melt then refreeze and ice over the Dwt is going to shine. They’re perfectly happy is semi low tide or semi deep.

the cb floats really well for those deeper days you’re talking about and are still fairly stiff for a powder ski so they’d blow through chop and crud when things get super skied out. They don’t need tons of snow to be fun either.

[FloridaSnow]

I like the DWT as a quiver of one bc ski but think that the WCT would be a better bet for a fatter touring ski that could potentially get some resort use. Even if you weren’t using it in the resort I’d go Wildcat Tour due to the slightly better float over the DWT.

CB would definitely be a fun resort pow ski and I know people will argue that it’s more versatile than one would think but that’s a big gap between the C92 and CB. Would probably also say Wildcat is the ticket for you in bounds as well.

well that’s why I said a dwt and a CB. The jump from his com 92 to the dwt 112 isn’t that large. It’s far more versatile than the wct. Then his next jump to the 122 cb isn’t as large either from
the dwt 112. Having a 92,116, 122 makes less sense to me. If he was only talking about one period I could see the benefit from going from the 92 to the 116. Or 118 in the 190 like I have for the additional float. But he mentioned adding two skis. So for most variety and condition coverage the com 92, dwt 112 and cb 122 is going to more versatile.

[GoSlowGoFar]

Ya I dunno about you but I would not enjoy a DWT inbounds and think most folks would share the same sentiment.

[FloridaSnow]

Ya I dunno about you but I would not enjoy a DWT inbounds and think most folks would share the same sentiment.

well again it’s not a one ski quiver we’re talking about here. He has a commander 92 which more than holds it own for low tide to med days inbounds and a CB more than holds its own for med to deep days. Theres nothing wrong with a Dwt 112 for in bounds either but he wants pin bindings on it. So thats for touring anyway. There is no debate either the dwt 112 is more versatile than the Wct 116.

[tenB]

If you were to add 2 more moments to a lineup what would you get? I'm tahoe based with a set of Commander 92's - love em for for low snow and spring conditions. Got some Voile Hypervectors with ATKs for BC. I probably do 70/30 backcountry/resort.

I'd love to get some skis that don't overlap completely (i.e. not wc 108 and wct 108s). I imagine a bigger resort ski for when theres some snow, and then a set of touring with pin bindings that might get some double use at the resort on deep days.

Any advice?

If you’re stoked on the commander 92, it’s possible you won’t like anything with triple camber. Demo first. The wildcat and countach series are a much more natural transition from commanders.

[FloridaSnow]

If you’re stoked on the commander 92, it’s possible you won’t like anything with triple camber. Demo first. The wildcat and countach series are a much more natural transition from commanders.

love my Countach 110. Curious to try the 104 and see what kind of overlap they have with my dw 104.

[GoSlowGoFar]

well again it’s not a one ski quiver we’re talking about here. He has a commander 92 which more than holds it own for low tide to med days inbounds and a CB more than holds its own for med to deep days. Theres nothing wrong with a Dwt 112 for in bounds either but he wants pin bindings on it. So thats for touring anyway. There is no debate either the dwt 112 is more versatile than the Wct 116.

I’m confused, I said the DWT isn’t a good pick because he isn’t going for a single quiver setup and wanted less crossover with his existing setup. You’re talking about how the DWT/DW is more versatile than the Wildcat so not sure what you’re getting at since he wants less overlap with the skinny skis.

I assume he’s going to use the skinny skis for firm days, groomers, big spring tours, etc so why not just get a Wildcat and Wildcat Tour to compliment them for when things are soft and call it good? Yeah maybe the Wildcat won’t float quite as well as the CB but it’s going to be a heck of a lot more fun on all the other days of the year aside from groomers or super firm days (when he’ll hop on the C92s).

[FloridaSnow]

I’m confused, I said the DWT isn’t a good pick because he isn’t going for a single quiver setup and wanted less crossover with his existing setup. You’re talking about how the DWT/DW is more versatile than the Wildcat so not sure what you’re getting at since he wants less overlap with the skinny skis.

I assume he’s going to use the skinny skis for firm days, groomers, big spring tours, etc so why not just get a Wildcat and Wildcat Tour to compliment them for when things are soft and call it good? Yeah maybe the Wildcat won’t float quite as well as the CB but it’s going to be a heck of a lot more fun on all the other days of the year aside from groomers or super firm days (when he’ll hop on the C92s).

he said he doesn’t want overlap and even gave the example of a not wanting something like a wc 108 and wct 108 combo. Which is why your suggestion of two WC’s make absolutely no sense.

the point was to add variety to the quiver. Not similar skis. Hence adding the dwt 112 as a mid level ski he can tour with and if he finds the need he can also use it inbounds. The fact that the dwt is more versatile means he can get more use out of it in more conditions than he can with a wct.

The CB was the extra resort ski he was asking for when the deep days arrive he can use in the resort. He was talking about considering the meridian which I also have. It’s essentially a smaller CB. So he can have all the fun of the full rocker meridian with all the benefit of more float in the CB.

not sure if you’ve been on commanders or not but they’re more than capable for both low tide and medium days. I have the commander 98’s which have solid float even in fresh soft. The 92’s he has have a wider shovel than my 98’s which is why the 92 works great even off piste in med tide days.

the cb can be extremely fun on med tide days as well and obviously great on deep days. Again not sure if you’ve been on them or not. I assume you haven’t based off your comment that the wildcat is more fun than the cb. Which it’s definitely not. The full rocker CB is far more fun and playful. that’s why there’s no point in having a wildcat if you plan to have a wider deep ski. I have the WC 118 and the ghost trains and the wc118 just sits at this point because I have the 126 ghost trains. Also have the wc 108 and based off what he was describing that wouldn’t really fit into his wants.

also have the dw 104 and 112 and have a few days now on the dwt 112 and can confidently say they’re all far more versatile than any of the cats. I only have one day on a wct108 but it was not better than the dwt 112 was in bounds. Especially not compared to their non tour brothers.

[SnowMachine]

I think I would get some regular Deathwishes or DWT's and put a Shift or Cast on them. Pins suck inbounds.

I've debated Castifying my DW's since they have P15's already. The ski isn't super heavy to begin with. Doing a Shift on the DWT would add some damping and suspension to a lighter ski.

Just thinking out loud here. These are the internal debates that I have.

C92 to CB is a big spread. There's definitely room in the middle for something versatile. A DW 104 could slot in there, also. It's a great ski for Tahoe. I had very few days last year where I felt like I needed to be on something else.

I'm positive I could go C92, DW (with Shift) and CB and be happy with life. I'm light, slogging a couple hundred more grams up is worth it for the added inbounds performance.

A side note for pure mental masturbation, if I were to have a single pair of skis in my life it would be a DW with Duke PT16's or Cast. Heavy bindings for touring, but worth it inbounds. I don't think Shifts would cut it for every day, but there are better skiers than me that would argue that.

[wwwicz]

I have demo'd some moments - commanders, wc108, and dw112. commander 108s were too much for me. WC108s at mammoth on a stormy weekend were awesome, DW112 was at alpine with no new snow so not the best.

The only other variation I can think of since pins do suck in-bounds, although before I got the commanders I was skiing the 1300g voiles with pins in bounds... is something like the meridian or countach with alpine bindings, and then the WCT116 with pins.

The easy answer is more than 4 skis total...

[FloridaSnow]

I think I would get some regular Deathwishes or DWT's and put a Shift or Cast on them. Pins suck inbounds.

I've debated Castifying my DW's since they have P15's already. The ski isn't super heavy to begin with. Doing a Shift on the DWT would add some damping and suspension to a lighter ski.

Just thinking out loud here. These are the internal debates that I have.

C92 to CB is a big spread. There's definitely room in the middle for something versatile. A DW 104 could slot in there, also. It's a great ski for Tahoe. I had very few days last year where I felt like I needed to be on something else.

I'm positive I could go C92, DW (with Shift) and CB and be happy with life. I'm light, slogging a couple hundred more grams up is worth it for the added inbounds performance.

A side note for pure mental masturbation, if I were to have a single pair of skis in my life it would be a DW with Duke PT16's or Cast. Heavy bindings for touring, but worth it inbounds. I don't think Shifts would cut it for every day, but there are better skiers than me that would argue that.

com 92, ct 104 or dw 104 and cb’s would be the perfect combo. Only reason I mentioned the dwt 112 was for the fact he was saying he wanted something with pins.

im also with you 100% on the dw112 with some cast. Ideal.

the dwt112 I’ve been on had shift and while was for sure better than pins in bounds I much would have preferred cast.

[FloridaSnow]

I have demo'd some moments - commanders, wc108, and dw112. commander 108s were too much for me. WC108s at mammoth on a stormy weekend were awesome, DW112 was at alpine with no new snow so not the best.

The only other variation I can think of since pins do suck in-bounds, although before I got the commanders I was skiing the 1300g voiles with pins in bounds... is something like the meridian or countach with alpine bindings, and then the WCT116 with pins.

The easy answer is more than 4 skis total...

you should shoot over to moment and demo the new Countach 104 and deathwish 104. Think you’ll enjoy both of those a lot.

and the best 3 ski combo is blades, meridians and ghost trains ?

[SnowMachine]

I have demo'd some moments - commanders, wc108, and dw112. commander 108s were too much for me. WC108s at mammoth on a stormy weekend were awesome, DW112 was at alpine with no new snow so not the best.

The only other variation I can think of since pins do suck in-bounds, although before I got the commanders I was skiing the 1300g voiles with pins in bounds... is something like the meridian or countach with alpine bindings, and then the WCT116 with pins.

The easy answer is more than 4 skis total...

I've played the game shrinking my quiver and failed. The touring ski is the hard one to multitask with.

I'm where I'm at now and will sell a few skis that I dont feel like I need anymore.

Right now if I built a quiver it could easily be all Moment:

C92, CT or DW 104, DWT with pins, CB.

Done and done..... Depending on skier preference the middle ski could be a WC 108 and the wide ski could be the GT.

There's a lot of splitting hairs in the Moment lineup. Some folks flat out don't like triple camber. The CT threw another wrench in the mix, especially now with the 104. These are great problems to have!!

[rigbone]

What sizing are people running on their DWTs? I'm 6'0" and 185lbs, ski 190 WC108s, 192 MF108s and 190 WCs inbounds. Moments sizing chart for me on their website puts me squarely on the 184cm and I am kind of leaning that direction. It seems like lots of folks on here like to size up to the 190s, is that the move or will they be a bit too long? I'm looking to replace my Icelantic Natural 111s as my mid winter DD touring ski. I want to cover basically all my bases, from pow to crummy snow, also want it to ski steeper lines, narrow spots and couloirs etc and have a narrow ski for the spring. I'm not a chargy BC skier and would be pairing these with a lighter binding like an Alpinist or ATK Haute Route.

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[SnowMachine]

You guys are going to make me buy more skis with all of this DWT talk...

Bring the snow!!

[SnowMachine]

What sizing are people running on their DWTs? I'm 6'0" and 185lbs, ski 190 WC108s, 192 MF108s and 190 WCs inbounds. Moments sizing chart for me on their website puts me squarely on the 184cm and I am kind of leaning that direction. It seems like lots of folks on here like to size up to the 190s, is that the move or will they be a bit too long? I'm looking to replace my Icelantic Natural 111s as my mid winter DD touring ski. I want to cover basically all my bases, from pow to crummy snow, also want it to ski steeper lines, narrow spots and couloirs etc and have a narrow ski for the spring. I'm not a chargy BC skier and would be pairing these with a lighter binding like an Alpinist or ATK Haute Route.

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Since I'm here pontificating already..... I'm 6' 160lbs. I love the 184 DW. Only way I'd go longer is if I were primarily skiing in more wide open spaces or with super deep, cold snow.

I do ski a 191 Renegade as my deep day BC ski, so take my opinion for what it's worth. If I add a DWT this year it'll be a 184.

[FloridaSnow]

Since I'm here pontificating already..... I'm 6' 160lbs. I love the 184 DW. Only way I'd go longer is if I were primarily skiing in more wide open spaces or with super deep, cold snow.

I do ski a 191 Renegade as my deep day BC ski, so take my opinion for what it's worth. If I add a DWT this year it'll be a 184.

wish I would have sized up on my dw 112. It’s a 184 but I would have been happier on the 190. I’m 6’0 190. I’ve Only skied the 184 dwt 112 and was very happy on that. Never felt I needed to size up with the tour layup oddly enough.

[forumskier]

Alright no skiing yet and I'm overthinking ski gear that doesn't even exist.

I want a DW112 without triple camber. Seems like that'd be an awesome experience. I'd size down to 184 and get close to center. Like a jibby K2 but with Moments build and backbone. Don't get me wrong, I love Wildcats and will always own a pair, but they aren't as buttery as I look for in a jib ski, they are more of a big mountain ski for me.

[FloridaSnow]

Alright no skiing yet and I'm overthinking ski gear that doesn't even exist.

I want a DW112 without triple camber. Seems like that'd be an awesome experience. I'd size down to 184 and get close to center. Like a jibby K2 but with Moments build and backbone. Don't get me wrong, I love Wildcats and will always own a pair, but they aren't as buttery as I look for in a jib ski, they are more of a big mountain ski for me.

so what you’re actually saying is you want a wc112 with bamboo core. Dw112 without triple camber is a wc112. Same cores.

[Bosco]

So, I'm thinking of a 2 ski quiver, Commander 92 and Countach 110, for Tahoe. As a directional skier, I can't think of a better combo?