Moment Skis Discussion

[Kevo]

^Interesting. My biggest complaint about my DW104s is that they aren't nearly as damp as the DW112. The 104s are more stiff, but notably less damp in my experience.

Edit to add- this is undoubtedly subjective based on individual planks of wood and skier weight.

My second pair of DW112s are more stiff than my first pair of DW112s but equally as damp despite being the same layup.

For me, the increase in stiffness on the second pair was a benefit because they deflect less in crud.

[SnowMachine]

truly not the same ski just narrower. Different cores, different dual radius, different layup , different mount point. Same idea with triple camber but definitely not the same ski just narrower. Theres a reason the 104 can be pushed harder compared to the 112. I have both as well and would never say it’s the same ski just narrower. Like you i prefer the 104 over my 112. If the 112 skied exactly like the 104 it would be hard for me to say which is my favorite, but they don’t.

Ok, you got me. I guess I should say that it's a perfectly shrunken version of the 112. I appreciate the changes made so that the narrower version skis the way that it should as a narrower ski. I have skied them back to back and they are not radically different in my experience. The 104 rolls a bit quicker, can be pushed harder into the shovels and is a bit stiffer. Exactly what I'm looking for in the narrower ski. The 112 is a blast in soft snow and super versatile. Love them both and that's why I have them both. The 104 just gets more snow time for me.

Edit again: I've been continually amazed by how versatile they both are. The 104 surfs above it's waist class and the 112 carves better than it should. I'd be hard pressed to pick just one.

FloridaSnow, have you ridden the Commander 92 yet? I have the 102, but find myself riding the DW104 much more often. I'm tempted to try the 92 for when it's really horrendous out there.

[possum]

Skier666 only crushes with the DW112. He’s by far the greatest prophet of the dw112 as a one ski quiver on here.


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I’m a believer.

Today in overcast Chile

[Crystal Skier]

if it’s the same process as last season you have to buy the demo pass for $50. Gives you unlimited demos throughout the season. If you purchase a ski from that current season your $50 will go towards the purchase of your new ski.

Awesome deal for unlimited demo’s




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[skier666]

I’m a believer.

Today in overcast Chile

I'll be in Valle Nevado on Saturday.

[Crystal Skier]

Last week on the DW 112 in Telluride...

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Motion picture:

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Bye

Cool vid…some sick turns. Definitely a no fall/slip zone on the climb.


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[FloridaSnow]

Ok, you got me. I guess I should say that it's a perfectly shrunken version of the 112. I appreciate the changes made so that the narrower version skis the way that it should as a narrower ski. I have skied them back to back and they are not radically different in my experience. The 104 rolls a bit quicker, can be pushed harder into the shovels and is a bit stiffer. Exactly what I'm looking for in the narrower ski. The 112 is a blast in soft snow and super versatile. Love them both and that's why I have them both. The 104 just gets more snow time for me.

Edit again: I've been continually amazed by how versatile they both are. The 104 surfs above it's waist class and the 112 carves better than it should. I'd be hard pressed to pick just one.

FloridaSnow, have you ridden the Commander 92 yet? I have the 102, but find myself riding the DW104 much more often. I'm tempted to try the 92 for when it's really horrendous out there.

have not been on the 92 yet. I have the 98 commander and an 82 metal layup ski as well so the 92 wasn’t really on my radar as something I was looking to pick up. Having the countach I really want to try the 104 to compare but don’t picture buying it since I have the dw 104. Likely picking up a frankenski next.

[FloridaSnow]

Awesome deal for unlimited demo’s



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it was free for all demos until last year. If you know you’ll buy a pair it’s still basically free since the pass amount will go towards your new ski.

[HalfNelson99]

Anyone have insight into the Meridian?

I have the 193 cm Chipotle Bananas that I bring out for the deep PNW days and am intrigued by the idea of a narrower full rocker setup.

[FloridaSnow]

Anyone have insight into the Meridian?

I have the 193 cm Chipotle Bananas that I bring out for the deep PNW days and am intrigued by the idea of a narrower full rocker setup.

have it. Love it. It’s tied for my favorite ski along with the DW 104. It’s just a fun ski. If you enjoy the banana then you’ll love the Meridian. Length is full preference. I have the 181 and am absolutely happy with it. 6’0 175lbs. I have other skis that are longer do this fits the bill of what I wanted out of this ski. Super pivoty but still has plenty of back bone for when I want to rail on it. It doesn’t love ice or firm conditions. Was in Tahoe in March and had some great conditions overall but shaded it was very icy. Would be loving life then hit the icy shaded portions and would have to clench my butthole. As long as you don’t expect a firm condition ski you’ll be more than happy. I wouldn’t trade mine for anything.

[Eastside]

187 meridians here...I have 186 Bananas also. Kinda wish I had the 193s. Both are my cold, dead hands skis. Regarding the Meridian. If you can find a pair, don't hesitate. They are damn good. Leave 'em in the car when it gets hard and fast, though. I only skied the Banana and Meridian last season except for a few telemark days. Meridian can be a daily but there are better tools for steep, speed control-ly, chalk. When it is hard and fast, you can just tip em on edge and figure out if the speed limit is on your feet or between your ears. It aint a 210 GS ski. lol

[~mikey b]

I'm thinking a Wildcat Tour is in my future. I need something in those dimensions, and the idea of a ski made 50 miles from my house seems right.

I don't get the triple camber twin rocker thing of the Deathwish Tour

[gaijin]

I don't get the triple camber twin rocker thing of the Deathwish Tour

I don't either. But I also didn't get the reverse camber/reverse sidecut thing 25 years ago either. So a big part of me wants to join the cult to decide if this religion is for me.

Just ask BanditMan, or KC to test it for you. They often oblige. Do this-- tell them to test it, and that you'll buy it from them if they want to sell it.

Skier666 is a Kirkwood boy, and he shreds, so it's gonna be hard to remove bias from whatever ski he's on. He could probably make a 2x4 work just as well. (Kirkwood does breed a special kinda kid-- ask me how I know.)

But Bandit and KC do a ridiculous amount of testing and comparison. It's almost comical how many skis they buy and then don't even ski because they'd already made up their minds. They can just touch it and be like-- "Yeah, this ski isn't for me."

I mean, I can usually do that without touching it. "Jedi's this, and Jedi's that..." but the Deathwish Tour has got me absolutely stumped as I can't imagine how it feels and yet it has a cult following.

Super intrigued.

(Same with the Meridian and Meridian Tour-- That's another cult all-together.)

[Skeeze]

The Deathwish Tour is a fairly soft ski (for Moment -- it's not some noodle). So it floats in pow a little better than the standard Deathwish, which is to say it floats just fine for pretty much any snow, but it prefers smaller, bouncier turns in powder as opposed to high-speed prolonged slarves. I do have Billy Goat Tours for deep days and there's, as expected, a noticeable difference, but both skis are fun in pow.

Then on firm snow, triple camber actually works to provide added edge grip. I would have no qualms taking the Deathwish Tours on a firm couloir day. Try them on groomers and you may almost think they feel strangely slow the first day -- it's the extra grip you're getting from the triple camber. Not everyone loves it, but in my experience, they have more edge grip at 112mm than your standard 10Xmm ski.

The other magic of the triple camber is that you get a ton of edge grip when you want, but if you ski centered and don't tip the ski over on edge quite so much, they pivot from underfoot really easily -- much more maneuverable in tight spots for me than a Wildcat.

No, they don't magically become a damp ski smashing through chop. But hopefully you don't ski much chop in the backcountry.

I have a bunch of touring skis because I bought them before I got the Deathwish Tours. Realistically, I could be 95% as happy if I only had the Deathwish Tour, and that's across all conditions from spring volcanoes to winter pow.

[PeachesNCream]

^agreed. I have a dwt and love taking it to the resort for days I’m with a slower crew. Makes small turns so fun. I got the dw104 thinking it would be able to do that and also be able to go fast. In my experience it just likes to go medium to fast. Needs more speed. It also felt dead to me (obviously personally preference as the 104 has gotten plenty of love). Also almost every ski I’ve loved has been bamboo so maybe I just have a type


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[HalfNelson99]

Thanks, FloridaSnow and Eastside for the Meridian insight... that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I use the DW 104 as a chalk and firm snow ski, so the Meridian is intended to fill the void between those skis and my fatter setups. Hoping I can snag a pair of Meridians if they do another run of them this year.

[Sargentdrufus]

I've been on the DWT (184)for 4 seasons (picked up my second pair last year and relegated the older ones to rock ski duty.) They are awesome. They've been my 1 ski quiver for the last 4 years. I've had them in every type of Wasatch snow. I've got zero problems with them for firm and steep and tight. And while they I think have a preference for medium radius turns in pow they have been perfectly fine really opening it up and going for big fast turns. I would agree drawn out slarves in pow are not their forte. But big fast non slarves turns they are great.

Certainly not the most damp ski but adequate suspension for touring applications.

I also picked up a pair of Meridian Tours (187) in March of last year and put a fair number of miles on them in the spring. They are a fun but different beast than the DWT. They can be driven more through the shovel in consistent shallow snow. They pivot and slarve way easier. They have higher stability at speed than the DWT (not a huge difference but enough to notice) they don't float as nicely and I found them less surfy than the DWT.

The Meridians have a spot in the quiver now and I know where and when I'll be using them. <6" days or lower tide days that aren't frozen the nice middle part of the snow spectrum, for everything else there is the DWT.

A buddy of mine who has been on the DWT picked up Meridian Tours and they became his favorite ski supplanting the DWT. I still prefer the DWT and if my ever said one of them has to go I'd sell the Meridians and keep the DWT. But also I'd be happy with the Meridian as a 1 ski in the Wasatch, I'd just have to maybe be more selective matching up objectives to snow conditions better.

I love that I can toss the DWT in the car and never worry or wonder if it is the right conditions. (There are no wrong conditions for the DWT in my opinion) Even breakable crust is manageable with them.

So yes there is some overlap with the two skis, but in my experience they are different beasts and one of them has more limits to it than the other.

That being said I would 1000% buy a Meridian 117 if that ever got released again. I'm also keeping my eye and wallet ready for another Ghost Train release.

[Eastside]

That being said I would 1000% buy a Meridian 117 if that ever got released again. I'm also keeping my eye and wallet ready for another Ghost Train release.

Meridian 117 release would be sweet for those who don't own a a Banana. The Banana is so incredibly versatile (for me) it's nuts. I hope Moment does have any killer releases this year because my quiver is "set" for this next season and I have self control only to a certain point.

[FloridaSnow]

Thanks, FloridaSnow and Eastside for the Meridian insight... that's exactly what I was hoping to hear. I use the DW 104 as a chalk and firm snow ski, so the Meridian is intended to fill the void between those skis and my fatter setups. Hoping I can snag a pair of Meridians if they do another run of them this year.

The 181 is currently available. I have the 181 and dw 104 in 184. I’m very happy with my Meridian in 181 personally for my use. 6’0 175lbs.

[FloridaSnow]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/20463421136...iABEgJz8vD_BwE

for those wanting a 117 Meridian.

[FloridaSnow]

I'm thinking a Wildcat Tour is in my future. I need something in those dimensions, and the idea of a ski made 50 miles from my house seems right.

I don't get the triple camber twin rocker thing of the Deathwish Tour

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30573771855...mis&media=COPY

[Falcon3]

If anybody has a DWT104 they didn't get along with, I'm in the market. 179 preferred for a steeps/spring ski.

[~mikey b]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30573771855...mis&media=COPY

thank you

Imma get mine from the factory

[FloridaSnow]

thank you

Imma get mine from the factory

ya no worries. Guys price is just an insane deal considering the TS isn’t changing for 2 seasons.

[~mikey b]

yes you’re right that’s a good deal