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  1. #1
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    Who is using JetForce packs regularly?

    We just got 15 for work. Whatís been your experience?

    Seems like kind of a pain in the ass to have to plug in your pack every night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    We just got 15 for work. What’s been your experience?

    Seems like kind of a pain in the ass to have to plug in your pack every night.
    Did I misunderstand something?

    The SuperCapacitor’s ability to store energy without slow leakage is
    dependent on the installation of two AA batteries in the system as well
    as how long the system is powered on. The SuperCapacitor can remain
    fully charged for 2-3 months while stored with the insertion of two new
    AA batteries.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Mikey may be talking about the old ones?

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    Who is using JetForce packs regularly?

    We just opened the boxes. I didnít see anything about AA batteries.

    https://www.blackdiamondequipment.co...bag_IS-WEB.pdf
    Last edited by ~mikey b; 12-22-2018 at 07:43 AM.

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    I am curious as to what your Organizations policies towards when to wear them VS when it is ok to not wear them shakes out.

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    I'm on my second season with a jetforce pack and use it every time I go out no matter the avy forecast. There is a weight penalty for sure but I'm happy with the pack (Halo). Like another poster said, you most definitely don't need to plug it in after each day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    I am curious as to what your Organizations policies towards when to wear them VS when it is ok to not wear them shakes out.
    Me too. I will let you know.

    Iím curious what you might suggest?

    PM

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    I never crossed that particular Rubicon but I will be glad to shoot you my uninformed opinion.

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    I would really appreciate your insight.

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    Testing units today.

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    Mine worked once and then wouldn't release again and I lost all confidence in the product. Based on that, I would highly recommend consistent testing, since not needing to refill canisters is kind of the point.

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    Yeah we went through all of them and had folks deploy them a couple of times when we issued them. I deployed and repacked mine 3 times with no issues.

    https://youtu.be/SnVvaj2pa48

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    Iíve been using mine for a while and itís always worked. Definitely heavy but it carries weight pretty well and I can take on a plane.


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    Heavy for sure, but a streamlined package and it fits and carries well. It will be a lot heavier with a dozen shots in it. ❄️

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    Some of the BD shit that I've been hearing scares the shit out of me.

    It's like not being able to trust a good old Hex or #3.

    WTF.

    Beat the shit out of it, and be safe.

    And, have a Merry Christmas.

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    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ack?highlight=

    Got our Voltair packs halfway through last season, now onto our first full season. probably 40+ days of control use so far. Don't know about the BD system's specifically but the dead chicken battery system saves a charge for ever. They both carry weight really well though.

    Our crew is concerned about the lack of worksite testing regarding battery systems and fuses. Rules and protocols in this industry seem to be made after accidents, and we don't want to make the rule. That being said, no one here remembers a radio spontaneously combusting or sparking...

    Where are you located? You can carry 12 shots?
    Last edited by BeardedClam; 12-30-2018 at 06:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardedClam View Post
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    Where are you located? You can carry 12 shots?
    Some of us get to drag 50lb sacks around
    ďI have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardedClam View Post
    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ack?highlight=

    Got our Voltair packs halfway through last season, now onto our first full season. probably 40+ days of control use so far. Don't know about the BD system's specifically but the dead chicken battery system saves a charge for ever. They both carry weight really well though. Our terrain is not

    Our crew is concerned about the lack of worksite testing regarding battery systems and fuses. Rules and protocols in this industry seem to be made after accidents, and we don't want to make the rule. That being said, no one here remembers a radio spontaneously combusting or sparking...

    Where are you located? You can carry 12 shots?
    The BB crew tried all sorts of experiments with cap & fuse and could not reliably get a cap to fire outside of the spit from safety fuse. This included dropping weights from different heights onto a cap on a steel plate and wiring a # 8 cap to a 12 V car battery, it finally got hot enough to fire but it was glowing red.

    I have thrown shots for 30+ years at 5 different Class A areas and would not be worried about your airbag setting off a cap.

    One thing you might consider is putting your shots in anti static bag. I use to order them by the 100s, same things as what they put electronics in prior to shipping, standard zip closure and big enough to carry 6 shots. Nice thing is they keep the PETN dust out of your stuff.

    If you wouldn't mind when you have time could you describe "your when to carry your airbag policy?"

    Thx.

    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Some of us get to drag 50lb sacks around
    The smell of Diesel......

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    We carry a lot of shots. We use anti static bags. Iím not at all worried about airbag, cell phone, vape pen or vibrator setting off cap and fuse. We are looking at the carry policy. Not set in stone yet.

    The most fun I ever had was doing heli AC for Juneau powerlines. Jet fuel baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    The BB crew tried all sorts of experiments with cap & fuse and could not reliably get a cap to fire outside of the spit from safety fuse. This included dropping weights from different heights onto a cap on a steel plate and wiring a # 8 cap to a 12 V car battery, it finally got hot enough to fire but it was glowing red.
    We're mostly worried about battery failure and open flame on fuse, not cap impact or arc. Unlikely, and even more unlikely to not notice, but chinese Li-ion batteries have a great recent track record.


    Nice thing is they keep the PETN dust out of your stuff.
    That'll take all the fun out of it when airport security sees a dyno nobel sticker in my passport

    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Some of us get to drag 50lb sacks around
    nothing ruins dwr like diesel
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardedClam View Post
    We're mostly worried about battery failure and open flame on fuse,
    Youíre not leaving igniters on?
    ďI have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.Ē

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    I meant that during transport, a battery failing represents a fire risk, and could ignite a fuse.. or are you referring to something else

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    Who is using JetForce packs regularly?

    No I was confused, hopefully your partner would see your pack on fire before times up. We havenít gone to mandatory airbags, thereís some interesting talking points here though
    ďI have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.Ē

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