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  1. #51
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    I’ve got a pair of WNDR Vital 100s RC in a 183cm purchased and waiting for pickup in SLC. Going to be paired with Moment Voyager 12s and Fischer TransAlps.

    Excited to try them out, will report back.

  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    The vwerks katanas do pretty well on icy steeps.

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    Iíve heard people with the skill to engage the full sidecut of the ski with a bit more body English have much better experiences on the down. Iím sure lots of folks love RC in these situations, but in my experience, Iíve felt a bit precarious.

    Does the katana run fairly flat, or is it an aggressive RC? That may also contribute to the grip.

  3. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by rfconroy View Post
    I have not found this to be an issue at all for me at least on the Raven, but definitely the Hoji. I am typically the last in my group to pop out the ski crampons while on a Raven, and while descending as long as you're on edge its been fine, I have not personally noticed any significant different between a ski with camber underfoot.
    Which skins do you run? My current sample size is basically a DWT with Pomoca S Glides, Superwolf with Pomocas, and Ravens with Pomocas. The DWT has far and away the most grip, but Iíd equate that with its surface contact being so large.

    My Ravens have very pronounced RC - when standing on flat ground the contact patch is probably only 5-10cm out in front of my boot / behind. Iíd imagine that with a skin weighted towards grip youíd have a more enjoyable time on the up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Which skins do you run? My current sample size is basically a DWT with Pomoca S Glides, Superwolf with Pomocas, and Ravens with Pomocas. The DWT has far and away the most grip, but Iíd equate that with its surface contact being so large.

    My Ravens have very pronounced RC - when standing on flat ground the contact patch is probably only 5-10cm out in front of my boot / behind. Iíd imagine that with a skin weighted towards grip youíd have a more enjoyable time on the up.

    pomoca free 2.0 on a 1st gen raven, same skin on a Hoji III
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    Katana is flat not true RC.

    RC Iíve owned/own : Renegade, Hoji, BMT 109 and 94, Raven, Mantra v4, 100Eight

    The Hoji was completely terrifying on icy steeps, I though I was gonna die on an exposed traverse.

    The other ones are more or less fine.

  6. #56
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    Black Crows Solis. Great on steeps, ice, chop, shit and can float. 1950 in a 180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    Black Crows Solis. Great on steeps, ice, chop, shit and can float. 1950 in a 180.
    Didnít even realize the solis was rockered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Didnít even realize the solis was rockered
    Its got some camber underfoot

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    Itís super super slight. My pair is almost flat. Is like the regular Corvus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoVT Joey View Post
    Itís super super slight. My pair is almost flat. Is like the regular Corvus.
    Can you post a pic? I'm curious

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    Solis is intriguing. just so damn $$$.
    Yeah the hoji (and newer ren) is much more rockered than the Raven. Wish they made a wider, heavier RavenÖ and called it the hoji! And also an ultralight Raven (like ~1500-1600 gr 190 cm). I feel the Raven is too heavy and ren too light

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    Quote Originally Posted by tang View Post
    Solis is intriguing. just so damn $$$.
    Yeah the hoji (and newer ren) is much more rockered than the Raven. Wish they made a wider, heavier RavenÖ and called it the hoji! And also an ultralight Raven (like ~1500-1600 gr 190 cm). I feel the Raven is too heavy and ren too light
    Iíll post up a shot of my Ravens because they are mega rockered. Wonder if the 2018 year was significantly different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    Iíll post up a shot of my Ravens because they are mega rockered. Wonder if the 2018 year was significantly different.
    Blister does a breakdown of the various Raven versions in their review.

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    My 174s are like that too. They ski pretty loose, but not RC loose. Better on skin track than ravens, but Ravens are fine. Solis on steeps are fucking awesome. Stalk EU sites for deals late season. Got mine for less than $500 shipped. Wish i had the white ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tang View Post
    Solis is intriguing. just so damn $$$.
    Yeah the hoji (and newer ren) is much more rockered than the Raven. Wish they made a wider, heavier Raven… and called it the hoji! And also an ultralight Raven (like ~1500-1600 gr 190 cm). I feel the Raven is too heavy and ren too light
    I switched from the Hoji + another ski to the Raven to have a one ski touring quiver with a little less rocker. The Raven has a longer flat section underfoot than the Hoji but definitely still a reverse camber ski in my mind vs flat + rockered. I've found it performs a lot better in firm variable conditions compared to the Hoji. It feels stiffer and more stable at speeds, a little easier to throw around in tight spots, and overall more intuitive and stable when bombing down snowmobile tracks etc. The tradeoff is that it's much less floaty and playful than the Hoji.

    From my experience for skis that look very similar on paper they ski extremely differently, so it's not just a matter of going a little narrower and getting a little less rocker
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    I switched from the Hoji + another ski to the Raven to have a one ski touring quiver with a little less rocker. The Raven has a longer flat section underfoot than the Hoji but definitely still a reverse camber ski in my mind vs flat + rockered. I've found it performs a lot better in firm variable conditions compared to the Hoji. It feels stiffer and more stable at speeds, a little easier to throw around in tight spots, and overall more intuitive and stable when bombing down snowmobile tracks etc. The tradeoff is that it's much less floaty and playful than the Hoji.

    From my experience for skis that look very similar on paper they ski extremely differently, so it's not just a matter of going a little narrower and getting a little less rocker
    Wes, assume you mean the pre-2022 much more rockered version of the Hoji, yes?
    sproing!

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    Lots of variations of fully rockered skis. The Synapse has lots of rocker up front, minimal underfoot, and a medium amount through the tail. This provides full slow powder noodling capability, but is still relatively versatile. The fully rockered Beasts looked similar (though I never skied em). The long mild rocker on my M4 Mantras and VWerks Katanas requires more speed and power to realize their liveliness, but doesnít sacrifice any hard snow performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    Wes, assume you mean the pre-2022 much more rockered version of the Hoji, yes?
    Yeah my Hojis were 2019 and Ravens are 2020
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by kootenayskier View Post
    Lots of variations of fully rockered skis. The Synapse has lots of rocker up front, minimal underfoot, and a medium amount through the tail. This provides full slow powder noodling capability, but is still relatively versatile. The fully rockered Beasts looked similar (though I never skied em). The long mild rocker on my M4 Mantras and VWerks Katanas requires more speed and power to realize their liveliness, but doesnít sacrifice any hard snow performance.
    That synapse 109 was such a fun ski! Probably the most playful touring ski Iíve ever been on. To bad they scrapped that one. Bases couldnít really handle the choss pile around here though, pretty soft.


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    My 2018 Ravens:



    Under body weight, my contact patch is basically my binding footprint. Works fine when the snow has some texture, can lead to some interesting moments if things harden up.

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