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12-04-2018, 10:22 AM #26
Some thoughtful responses in here to a good question.
I like tahoeJ's response in particular:
There is a reason I have never mixed skiing with work. It's one my ultimate escapes from reality, and introducing an hourly wage or salary to it will surely corrupt that which I hold so dear. Better to focus my job skills elsewhere and find an occupation that both pays the bills and (more crucially) allows the most time possible to experience the world around me.
Twitch Stream would like to have a word with you regarding that.
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12-04-2018, 04:18 PM #27
quality post
I fell into law school too for similar reasons (and similar pol sci background), I wanted to be able to buy a house and law school seemed like the best path forward to have a sustainable career that paid ok. It has worked out reasonably well for me, and I made some good/educated decisions along the way, but I certainly did not enter law school having a real clue about being a lawyer. And was somewhat rudely awakened on that one. So while I don't counsel people not to go to law school as a generality, I do think the decision requires far more thought and research than most people give it.
I should add that a long time ago I gave up on finding my "dream job", I think many people are unhappy because they don't have that and they think they should, so they don't know how to accept something different. I decided instead that I wanted a job that allowed me to live the way I wanted to, near the mountains, with the ability to go on regular skiing/biking/camping excursions. And enough free time to do them. Law school could have been a bad choice in those respects, but it worked out for me.Last edited by Danno; 12-04-2018 at 05:35 PM.
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12-04-2018, 04:49 PM #28Minion
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Currently struggling with this. I graduated college in 14 with a degree in History, and have held a couple jobs but nothing has stuck, typically due to low pay. Worked two years as a patroller, loved it, but the reality that the resort wasn’t going to take care of me or help me achieve peripheral dreams (home ownership, financial security), set in.
Currently working in the construction field, and while it’s paying the bills and letting me save some, I question if the the 60-70 hour weeks are really worth it for a so-so paycheck and not being able to spend time with the people I care about and doing the things I love.
Sending out application after application and either getting stonewalled or told I’m not qualified can get pretty discouraging, but I’m gonna keep busting my ass in this current job until I can move into another position or industry.
Any mags got advice for a dude in his mid 20s trying to make it in life (and still ski)?
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12-04-2018, 04:54 PM #29guy who skis
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Didn't realize there were so many fellow lawyers around.
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12-04-2018, 04:57 PM #30
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12-04-2018, 04:57 PM #31
I pretty much loved fighting wildfire and then ski patrol. It worked out for me. Forestry degree was crucial to the long game with fire.
/brag.
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12-04-2018, 08:54 PM #32Registered User
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I made it 11. Switched from corporate counsel to the business side and haven't looked back. I watched the life of my dad (a trial lawyer) from when I was growing up and knew that wasn't what I wanted, even though he worked a path like Geezer Steve and was mostly retired by 55 and playing 18-36 holes a day.
Work at a big Seattle tech co now, but my gig is pretty decent. It's let me ski in Japan, Cham and others. I can skip out for a powder morning or early afternoon. I can't complain.
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12-04-2018, 08:58 PM #33
both/ end thread
I would make tons more money in my profession if I lived in NY
But I have way more fun doing what I do in WY
both. be creativeskid luxury
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12-06-2018, 12:01 AM #34Registered Useless
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I'll give my experience (late 20's, making good money, working 40 hours and skiing 4-5 days a week)
I got a job at a non-profit at 21. Realized the money's in fundraising, ppl are scared of the job, and that's what's holding most non-profit groups back. Took 6 years to vp level. Skied the whole time. We're doing great and my wife's still a grad student.
My two cents - learn to code or learn that most ppl who make salaried bank do it with soft skills and the projection of confidence/competence
El Chup - sry to hear about the porn, but you had to meet Mrs C somewhere, right?
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12-06-2018, 09:19 AM #35
Feel your pain. I graduated in 2016 with a BS in mechanical engineering. Had been working on houses in college so fell into a job in commercial construction management in Seattle. Pay is good, but I work 10+ hours a day for decent pay but feel like I'm not pursuing any of my passions and missing time to get out and do stuff I care about. And it's just kinda boring all around.
Been trying to apply to stuff since 2017 especially in product design & development since I love tinkering and building just about anything. Seems like no one will take you serious unless you're coming from another big company and even with connections hard to get your foot in the door. The typical "entry level position, requires 12 years experience' is what I've run into. I think you just have to try and try and try until you get a break. I'm hoping that happens at least.
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12-06-2018, 10:17 AM #36Registered User
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Ugh, what kind of construction are you doing? Boots on the ground? 60-70 hour weeks should be making you decent money, the plus side is you’re not spending it when you work all the time, until you take your lay-off check in mid December and ski not stop until March-April...
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12-06-2018, 10:29 AM #37Registered User
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FWIW, one of my life long buds also graduated in 2016 with a BS in mechanical engineering. He currently works in a pharmaceutical plant for a mid size private international company. Said he is bored most of the time, but at least not killing himself on a standard 8hr a day schedule and makes about average salary for his position. He has been looking for jobs for over a year now and sounds like he’s in the same boat as you. He’s now considering a teaching position at a private high school that wants to put together a tech program... talk about a 180
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12-06-2018, 10:35 AM #38
This is spot on. Many people apply for law school as a fallback option without any idea what they might do with a law degree. Those who do well in law school get offers from big firms, and there's a good chance they will get stuffed in a back room looking at security offering documents or in a big litigation support role or some other support role. Those positions are like cogs in a big machine, with little potential to later develop a flexible gig, sometimes dead end jobs -- and big firm support work can really suck too. OTOH, getting litigation experience straight out of law school can, eventually, lead to a gig with schedule flexibility (e.g., hired gun litigation work or partner in a profitable small firm with understanding partners). I was warned by my sister (a law school superstar who had a very good career with a silk stocking firm then a Assistant U.S. Attorney) and others. Duly warned, when I interviewed with firms, I required assurance that I would not be shoved in a back room and would be doing front line trial work from the start. I turned down better pay for a firm that promised to get trying cases my first year out.
The surest path to schedule flexibility in the legal field is niche work that is in demand, e.g., business tax work, ERISA, employment defense, which, after a few years in a firm, one can do from home in a low overhead operation. I know some estate planning and elder law attorneys who work half time from home, make a good living and have flexible schedules. Be aware however that will require some contacts (often other lawyers) and/or internet advertising strategy to get work in the door. IME, an accounting undergrad degree would be a good way to set up a path to a flexible/low overhead niche practice.
I suppose these lessons can transfer to other professional fields. IME, if you want to work into a professional gig with schedule flexibility -- best of all, a lone wolf or of counsel low overhead niche practice -- you should start planning early, lest you might end up a dead ender, a teensy weensy cog in a big machine with no way out.
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12-06-2018, 10:35 AM #39
The learn to write some code so you can work remote thing strikes me as good advice.
My background is in econ and applied stats. Because I can do some propellorhead technical stuff, I work remote. I'd make significantly more money if I lived in NYC or San Francisco. I'd also make significantly more money if I weren't easily distracted and more interested in skiing than I am in writing an extra 1000 lines of SQL.
Anyhow, it keeps the bills paid and I'm going skiing at lunch again today.
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12-06-2018, 10:51 AM #40
Do what you love...or work so you can afford life?
Yup.
I always wanted to work in the ski industry. Always thinking about my eventual ‘’move’’ in my 20s. My friends already working within it forcefully advised, no, told me to stay in my lane.
Do we self-employed/IC’s make a majority here?
ETA props to those of you that do make it work in the industryLast edited by Self Jupiter; 12-06-2018 at 03:34 PM.
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12-06-2018, 10:55 AM #41
I doubt it. TGR has lots of tradespersons, cube dwellers, trust fund babies and dirtbags.
Yeah, I know some lone wolf code monkeys with plenty of time for outdoor stuff, although it seems they have intermittent dry spells with no work and related money anxiety.
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12-06-2018, 10:59 AM #42
I work for the gubmint.
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"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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12-06-2018, 11:13 AM #43
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12-06-2018, 11:18 AM #44guy who skis
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12-06-2018, 11:28 AM #45
Danno and Cravenmorhead, you have opportunities and/or plans to move out to a flexible private sector gig? I recently ran into an ex-govt land use jock with a sweet low overhead home-based practice.
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12-06-2018, 12:49 PM #46
I was inches away from law school. I had taken the LSAT, was about to send out a bunch of applications. I worked for a non-profit in DC that specialized in suing the government, and I'd occasionally go to the court trials. I remember one moment watching a lawyer for Lindsay Graham, I think, make an argument and I knew I could do better than that dummy. My dream was to do appeals litigation.
But, I had a buddy who was a lawyer and he talked me out of it. Told me about what his early law career was like and that it wasn't worth it. He's a real estate agent now, I think. It turned out for the best cause I would have come out of law school in 2009 or 2010, right when the bottom fell out of the law jobs market.
Now I'm in the same boat as a bunch of people here. Trying to balance money, passion and freedom of my time. Trying to make the solo biz work for now, but who knows how long I'll last. I think a location independent job for a company that is fully remote with internationally distributed employees is the best setup. Stability of a salary and insurance, but the flexibility to work the hours you want.
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12-06-2018, 12:54 PM #47guy who skis
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12-06-2018, 12:55 PM #48guy who skis
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12-06-2018, 01:50 PM #49Registered User
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12-06-2018, 02:55 PM #50
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Not really. I like my job as far as jobs go, and I'm a public interest kind of guy, don't want to be in private practice. Plus I have a 7yo, so I'm not looking for a semi retirement gig anytime soon. The pension is a big part of my retirement plan, but I need many more years of service.
Things could change, though, because I would like to move to a small town far away from the city."fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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